LCMI Trust: England & Wales - Charity Commission No. 1065192

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The Bible College of Wales

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Supplement to the Annual Report 18-19 of the Life Changing Ministries International Church South Cheshire Trust operating as

The Bible College of Wales Original Vision & ECCTV.ORG

SERIOUS INCIDENT REPORT collated 22nd. October 2019

relating to former Trustee and Minister Clive Stanley Bate, the objective of this report being clearly to prove that as in the ministry of Jesus on earth, we have had in our midst an infiltrator who has betrayed us, failed to keep to Biblical Ministry Protocol, and in addition administrative and financial protocol clearly laid out in the Policies and Procedures of the Charity.

 

The report also shows how the actions of this former trustee and minister have placed great financial burden on trustees and pressure at a time when the Ministry was moving its Ministry Headquarters from North Wales to South West Scotland, the spiritual home of the Bible College of Wales, the home of the Covenanters and where Rees Howells had the vision for the College in the 1920’s, a vision that is being successfully restored by this ministry.

 

The Report also shows how other trustees have come to the fore backing the ministry with designated offerings to cover the losses caused by the actions of Clive Stanley Bate, also other givers who have seen the pressure we have been under have responded accordingly with financial gifts, building up a platform for complete financial recovery.

 

John 13:18-30 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

 

18 I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me. 

 

19 Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am he. 

 

20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

21 When Jesus had thus said, he was troubled in spirit, and testified, and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me. 

 

22 Then the disciples looked one on another, doubting of whom he spake. 

 

23 Now there was leaning on Jesus’ bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved. 

 

24 Simon Peter therefore beckoned to him, that he should ask who it should be of whom he spake. 

 

25 He then lying on Jesus’ breast saith unto him, Lord, who is it? 

 

26 Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon. 

 

27 And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly. 

 

28 Now no man at the table knew for what intent he spake this unto him. 

 

29 For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor. 

 

30 He then having received the sop went immediately out: and it was night.

This report has the intention of proving that as with Judas, Clive Stanley Bate refused our Table of the Lord, the place where Christians come together to settle disputes, open up, confess faults one to another examining themselves, that table was offered time after time, mails of every description sent, e mails, special deliveries, ordinary post – all was sent with intent of settling the following matters between us, but for the first time in decades of this ministry a trustee has failed to come and open up over issues, has failed to answer our constant calls even not turning up to an agreed meeting in Barry South Wales to deal with the matters clearly laid out in the coming pages.

 

It is therefore the intention of this report to give an open, thorough account not only before overseers of this charity and ministry but most importantly before God with an open heart , open passion that in our writing the hearts of existing trustees have been right, not only with them but the trustees about to join us.

 

The Report begins with a summary and proofs of the activities of Clive Stanley Bate that led to immense financial pressure being placed on the Ministry, this being followed more importantly by the spiritual root of all this and three questions Clive Stanley Bate failed to answer.

 

Part 1: The Business Activities of Clive Stanley Bate

as a Trustee of this Charity

 

  1. The Obtaining of the Sandwich Bar to be known as the “Holy Ghost Snack Bar” at 50c Holton Road, Barry, South Wales. 

Clive Stanley Bate (d.o.b.05/03/1943) of 10, St Hilary Court, CARDIFF, CF5 5EF, was a minister and trustee of the Charity for a number of years. The headquarters of his ministry for the last 2 years approximately, was at 50, Holton Road, Barry, CF63 4HE, where the offices he used were rented from Cllr. Vincent P Driscoll.

Throughout most of his time as trustee, CB ran a full-time ministry, also generating income through voluntary offerings, and collections from local supermarket. This income was paid into the Charity to meet his office rent and mileage expenses, a system which worked well until March, 2018.

Summary of Current Situation:

11th. January 2018: CB contacted Trustees with massive assurances, both spiritual & practical, concerning potential lease of a sandwich bar in the same buildings as his existing offices at Barry. These included the following: that there was great demand for this sandwich bar; that Vince (the landlord) had said that if we had problems, he was willing to cancel the lease as long as we gave him 2 months to find new tenants; & that business rates were between £5 & zero each month.

22nd. February 2018: CB informed trustees through DG that the sandwich shop at 50 C Holton Road, Barry, was now available for lease. The landlord was the same Cllr. Driscoll, who would be more than happy to lease it to the Charity. CB was hugely enthusiastic re this opportunity to generate income for the Charity while continuing with evangelistic outreach in this new setting.

CB further assured us that he had 2 catering companies supporting us, and one African cook (even looking at the possibility of night time use as an African takeaway).

By 23rd. February 2018: CB assured DG of ability to produce a sandwich for 20p and sell it for £1. Further, that the project would be entirely staffed by volunteers, so nil staff costs. Daily target to cover all costs would be only £50, since CB had calculated weekly costs would be around £302.

As a direct result of CB’s enthusiasm & his previous track record of fund-raising, Trustees agreed to the sandwich bar being leased by the Charity & operated locally by CB on the Charity’s behalf. It was felt that funds generated could help towards current project of building a Mission House in Sri Lanka (where land had already been gifted by our affiliated College there).

On 12th. March, 2018: The Lease agreement for 50C Holton Road commenced; a 3-year lease from 12/03/18 to 11/03/21 at £149 per week. There was also catering equipment in the sandwich bar which it was agreed would be purchased by the Charity by means of instalments.

March – May 2018: This was a time of very hard work on behalf of the Charity to support CB who was understood to be recruiting & training volunteers, to open & run the sandwich bar. The following help was provided:

·       A series of agreed policies & procedures

·       Summary Action List

·       Insurance Policy (shop package)

·       Display Posters

·       Series of labelled Charity Collection Tins

Also exchange of information concerning electricity provider (see CB email of 28/04/19).

Three months later, by late June, 2018, the sandwich bar had still not opened, with items having been purchased using the Charity credit card in CB’s possession, but not accounted for (no receipts, no annual report).

This situation began to put pressure on the limited finances of the Charity, so the Finance Sub-Committee felt unable to fully fund the sandwich bar until it at least broke even.

Shortly after this on 2nd. July 2018, CB sent us as picture of a volunteer. However, only a week later, on 9th. July 2018, while DG & BM were away on mission in the Democratic Republic of Congo, CB unexpectedly intimated his decision to resign as Trustee of LCMI Trust, thus leaving the Charity with a very difficult financial situation to resolve as best they could.

A very detailed account of these expenses is given below. Briefly, they consisted of:

·       The remaining 32 months of the 3-year Lease

·       The remaining amount to purchase the catering equipment

·       Shop Insurance to resolve

·       Possible Utility bills

·       Possible Business Rates

·       Food etc. purchased for trading, yet not accounted for

 

This was not all! We later found that CB had purchased a portable PDQ machine without proper Trustee approval - & that he had then acquired a second machine, again without Trustee approval!

Thus Trustees were left with a situation where, despite great assurances of the sandwich bar being a great evangelistic & business opportunity for the Charity, it was now vacant, CB having suddenly resigned, with all the associated expenses now left with the Charity. Worse still there had been a breach of trust (covenant), of the Charity’s Conflict of Interest & Loyalty Policy, & unauthorised trustee benefits (purchases of goods & expenses un-receipted & un-accounted for).

This situation continues unresolved to this day. We have frequently communicated with Former Trustee CB, but the main matter remains unresolved to date. We have really tried our best to have team-work, openness & transparency & mutual co-operation in this, but as yet to little avail. 

 The Email proofs sent by Clive Stanley Bate

E MAIL 1: THE PROOF OF PERSUASION OF TRUSTEES AND ASSURANCES

  1. From the following e mail CB declares a race for the shop, and that Cllr Vince Driscoll prefers us to have it, that there is great demand for it so a three year lease was agreed so as to protect our Charity from increases, CB declaring that Vince had agreed that if we had problems then as long as we give him 2 months to find new tenants we would be released from the lease, Vince being a “better flexible friend” than a credit card. A deal which we took for equipment is mentioned as is the business rate charge, all of this being now questionable.

01 03 18 ………..

"THERE IS A LOT OF DEMAND FOR THIS PROPERTY SINCE 4 PEOPLE ARE AFTER IT
ALREADY ACCORDING TO VINCE THIS LUNCHTIME.

VINCE WOULD PREFER US TO RUN THE CATERING OPERATION AS HE KNOWS US AND
KNOWS WHAT WE DO.

THE DEAL THAT OLD SCHOOL VINCE IS OFFERING THE CHARITY IS A WEEKLY
RENT OF £146.00 WITH AN UP FRONT PAYMENT OF 4/5 WEEKS FOLLOWED WITH
RENT OF 146.00 BEING PAID WEEKLY ON A 2 YEAR OR LONGER LEASE AS TO OUR
CHOICE. IT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED THAT A LONGER TERM LEASE  PROTECTS
OUR CHARITY FROM RENT INCREASES AND CAN FETCH A BETTTER PRICE IN THE
MARKET PLACE, HOWEVER I WOULD SAY THAT THIS IS NOT A MAJOR
CONSIDERATION SINCE WE HAVE ESTABLISHED AN EXCELLENT RELATIONSHIP WITH
VINCE.

VINCE HAS ALSO SAID THAT TO HELP US SHOULD WE HAVE PROBLEMS HE IS
WILLING TO CANCEL THE LEASE AS LONG AS WE GIVE HIM 2 MONTHS TO FIND
NEW TENANTS. WE COULD SAY THAT VINCE IS A BETTER FLEXIBLE FRIEND THAN
A CREDIT CARD.

VINCE IS PURCHASING ALL THE CATERING EQUIPMENT FROM THE FORMER TENANT
FOR £1,500.00. HE NEEDS US TO PAY HIM THIS AMOUNT TO TAKE OWNERSHIP OF
THIS EQUIPMENT WHICH IS IN VERY GOOD ORDER. TO HELP US WITH OUR CASH
FLOW VINCE IS WILLING TO ACCEPT PAYMENT BY INSTALMENTS.

THE BUSINESS RATES ARE BETWEEN £5.00 AND ZERO PER MONTH."  

 

E MAIL 2: CB BUSINESS ARRANGEMENTS

This proves CB being very much in charge of the situation and we trusted him.

HOLY GHOST SNAKBAR ELEC

 

PASTOR CLIVE S BATE <clive.cbchristian.bate@googlemail.com>

Sat, 28 Apr 2018, 15:34

 

to me

 

FORMER TENANT :-

CAROLE MACKINTOSH
BOX FRESH CATERING Co
50C HOLTON ROAD
BARRY
CF63 4HE


AS PER LEASE WE TOOK OVER PROPERTY FROM 12/03/2018

Ist METER READINGS WERE;
                                   LOW   024425  &  NORMAL   506463

MOST CURRENT METER READINGS ARE:-
                                   LOW   024447 &  NORMAL    506564.

PLEASE NOTIFY BES UTILITIES THAT WE NOW ARE USING THIS PROPERTY SINCE
WE HAVE LEASED IT STARTING FROM 12/03/2018.

ROBERT THE COMMERCIAL AGENT WHO CAN BE CONTACTED ON 07539117870 WHO I
HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN TO SAID THAT BES UTILITIES NEED A COPY OF BOTH THE
FRONT AND THE BACK OF THE LEASE SHOWING THAT WE HAVE TAKEN 50C HOLTON
ROAD OVER.

KNOWING SOMETHING OF BES UTILITIES I WOULD SUGGEST CHECKING WITH HIM
EXACTLY WHO YO CONTACT AND HOW.

I BELIEVE YOU HAVE ALREADY RECEIVED A FORWARDED COPY OF THE EMAIL SENT
TO ME AT 17.21 ON 26/04/2018 BY PHIL ROBIN OF GREEN ENERGY.

I DO NOT KNOW IF HE IS THE CHEAPEST BUT I DEAL WITH GREEN ENERGY
MYSELF AND FIND THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND ARE EASY TO CONTACT
BEING UK BASED. HE IS AWARE OF THE SPECIAL REDUCTIONS AVAILABLE TO US
AS A CHARITABLE TRUST. HE HIMSELF HAS A GOOD REPUTATION  AND WORKS
LATE TO 18.00 AND HAS HIS DOG IN THE OFFICE.

I TRUST WE CAN GET THIS ELECTRICITY SORTED OUT.

REGARDING THE WATER WE SHOULD NOW NOT BE CUT OFF, BUT I NEED TO FIND
OUT WHERE THE WATER METER IS FROM VINCE SINCE DWR CYMRU DO NOT KNOW
AND IT MAY BE THAT THE WATER IS INCLUDED IN THE RENT WE PAY VINCE.

AS WELL AS GETTING YOUR END SORTED OUT I TRUST YOU CAN FIND SOME TIME TO SLEEP.

SHALOM , VICTORY AND BLESSINGS

Clive

REV CLIVE S BATE

E MAIL 3: CB COMMUNICATION OF PROPERTY BEING LET

This was given in January of 2018, we now being referred to as “guys” an phrase alien to our culture, and not been used by CB before to our remembrance.

 

revclive@awjcg.co.uk

Tue, 8 Jan, 08:47

 

to me, REV

 

GREETINGS YOU GUYS,

AT THE START OF THIS 2019 HERE IS SOME GOOD NEWS.

YESTERDAY I SENT A MAN TO HARRY , VINCE'S SON WHO GAVE HIM THE KEY TO 50C.

HE VIEWED 50C WITH ANOTHER GENTLEMAN.

THIS MORNING AT 8.08 THE " TO LET " SIGN WAS CHANGED TO " LET BY KNIGHTS ".

YOU CAN SEE THIS AS A STEP FORWARD IN THIS 2019.

SHALOM , VICTORY AND BLESSINGS

Clive


 

E MAIL 4: CB SUMMARY OF ASSURANCES

Here is a reference to “God’s perfect timing”, but we now ask which God? Here the whole vision is outlined to us very firmly, and after doing all this, getting trustees to agree he walked out on us leaving us the bills.

PASTOR CLIVE S BATE <clive.cbchristian.bate@googlemail.com>

Thu, 1 Mar 2018, 00:32

 

 

to me

 

TO DAVE & ALL TRUSTEES OF LCMI,

I CONSIDER THAT AS NORMAL IN GOD'S PERFECT TIMING GOD HAS PROVIDED A
MASSIVE OPPORTUNITY TO INCREASE OUR INCOME FLOW AND  AT THE SAME TIME
REACH MANY MORE SOULS WITH THE BEAUTIFUL GOSPEL OF THE LORD JESUS
CHRIST.

WITHIN THE BUILDING , HOLTON HOUSE, FROM WHICH WE MINISTER CURRENTLY
TO THE WHOLE WORLD AND AT THE SAME TIME DECLARING THE SOVEREIGNENTY OF
THE KING OF KINGS WHO IS LORD OF LORDS OVER BARRY, WALES , THE UK AND
THE WHOLE WORLD AS WE ARE OBEDIENT TO MARK 16: 15 PUSHING EVER FORWARD
WITH THE VISION OF REES HOWELLS.

THE PROPERTY THAT IS AVAILABLE TO US YOU HAVE PHOTOGRAPHS OF AND IT
HAS 2 FLOORS WITH A GROUND FLOOR ENTRANCE AND EXIT TO THE SERVING AREA
FOR THE PUBLIC PLUS A SEPARATE EXIT. THERE IS ALSO A LARGE FOOD
PREPARATION AREA AND BOTH THE SERVING AREA AND THE FOOD PREPARATION
AREA ARE VERY WELL EQUIPPED. IT ALSO HAS A TOILET. IT CURRENTLY HAS
THE HIGHEST HYGEINE RATING WHICH IS 5.

THERE IS A LOT OF DEMAND FOR THIS PROPERTY SINCE 4 PEOPLE ARE AFTER IT
ALREADY ACCORDING TO VINCE THIS LUNCHTIME.

VINCE WOULD PREFER US TO RUN THE CATERING OPERATION AS HE KNOWS US AND
KNOWS WHAT WE DO.

THE DEAL THAT OLD SCHOOL VINCE IS OFFERING THE CHARITY IS A WEEKLY
RENT OF £146.00 WITH AN UP FRONT PAYMENT OF 4/5 WEEKS FOLLOWED WITH
RENT OF 146.00 BEING PAID WEEKLY ON A 2 YEAR OR LONGER LEASE AS TO OUR
CHOICE. IT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED THAT A LONGER TERM LEASE  PROTECTS
OUR CHARITY FROM RENT INCREASES AND CAN FETCH A BETTTER PRICE IN THE
MARKET PLACE, HOWEVER I WOULD SAY THAT THIS IS NOT A MAJOR
CONSIDERATION SINCE WE HAVE ESTABLISHED AN EXCELLENT RELATIONSHIP WITH
VINCE.

VINCE HAS ALSO SAID THAT TO HELP US SHOULD WE HAVE PROBLEMS HE IS
WILLING TO CANCEL THE LEASE AS LONG AS WE GIVE HIM 2 MONTHS TO FIND
NEW TENANTS. WE COULD SAY THAT VINCE IS A BETTER FLEXIBLE FRIEND THAN
A CREDIT CARD.

VINCE IS PURCHASING ALL THE CATERING EQUIPMENT FROM THE FORMER TENANT
FOR £1,500.00. HE NEEDS US TO PAY HIM THIS AMOUNT TO TAKE OWNERSHIP OF
THIS EQUIPMENT WHICH IS IN VERY GOOD ORDER. TO HELP US WITH OUR CASH
FLOW VINCE IS WILLING TO ACCEPT PAYMENT BY INSTALMENTS.

THE BUSINESS RATES ARE BETWEEN £5.00 AND ZERO PER MONTH.

THERE IS NO GAS AND I AM ASSURED THAT THE ELECTRIC IS QUITE AFFORDABLE
ON A VERY AFFORDABLE TARIFF.

THE ITEMS WE CAN SELL TO MAKE PROFIT ARE PORRIDGE, SANDWICHES,
SOUP, RED BUSH NATURALLY CAFFEINE FREE TEA, HOT PUDDINGS AND ICECREAM
ALL AT A £.

A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN INTRODUCED ME TO HIS DAUGHTER WHO RUNS THE CAFE
IN THE MARKET AT BESSEMER ROAD IN CARDIFF WHO THEN INTRODUCED ME TO
HER OLD SCHOOL WHOLSALER, TONY WHO WAS REALLY EXCITED ABOUT ME
PROVIDING SIMPLE HEALTHY FOOD AND THERE WAS NOBODY IN THIS MARKET SO
WE WOULD BE PIONEERING THE INTRODUCTION OF SIMPLE HEALTHY FOOD LIKE
THE OLD SHOOL STEWS AND SOUPS.

OUR COSTS WOULD BE MINIMAL ESPECIALLY AS WE WOULD BE USING VOLUNTEERS.

CONTAINERS FOR BEVERAGES CAN BE PURCHASED AT £1.95 - £3.00 PER SLEEVE.

GROSS PROFIT MARGIN SHOULD RANGE FROM 50% TO 80%.

WITH SPREADING THE KJV WORD OF GOD WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SPEAK DIRECT TO
CUSTOMERS, GIVE OUT LITERATURE, PLAY MEDIA AND SHOW VIDEOS PLUS
EDUCATE THROUGH POSTERS.

I BELIEVE TAKING ON THIS ENTERPRISE WILL ENABLE US TO DO MUCH MORE
GIVING OUT THE GOSPEL AND ENABLE US TO BE ON A MORE SOUND FINANCIAL
BASE AND BE WELL PLACED FOR FUTURE EXPANSION.

VINCE HAS SUGGESTED THAT THE CHARITY GIVES HIM A SMALL FLEXIBLE
REFUNDABLE DEPOSIT SO THAT THE PREMISES ARE OURS AND HE WILL NO
LONGER NEED TO DEAL WITH THE GROWING QUEUE OF COMPETITORS TO OURSELVES.

SHALOM, VICTORY AND BLESSINGS

Clive

REV CLIVE S BATE

E MAIL 5: CB FURTHER BUSINESS LETTER

The objective of presenting this primary evidence, actual e mails outlining the vision from CB is to show the pressure being put on us all by Clive Stanley Bate, a clear covenant over this taking place of all working together to meeting the objectives outlined by CB. Here however he writes to the Landlord over offices and the shop intimating his walking out on us with the consequences this has brought, the mail showing a complete change around from stated positions.

50 HOLTON ROAD

 

PASTOR CLIVE S BATE <clive.cbchristian.bate@googlemail.com>

Thu, 12 Jul 2018, 09:48

 

to vince.d, me

 

DEAR VINCE,

TO UPDATE YOU ON THE SITUATION WITH THE SANDWICH SHOP, THE 1st FLOOR
OFFICE AND THE TOP FLOOR OFFICE I HAVE RECEIVED EMAILS FROM DAVID AND
BASICALLY THEY SAY THAT DAVID WILL PAY RENT FROM THE MONEY THAT I HAD
PAID INTO THE LCMI CHARITY ACCOUNT TO THE FRESH BACON COMPANY. ON
11/07/2018 HE EMAILED TO SAY THAT HE HAD TRIED TO TRANSFER FUNDS BUT
BARCLAYS SITE NOT WORKING IN CONGO.

DAVID IS DUE BACK IN THE UK ON THE EVENING OF15/07/2018 SO
REALISTICALLY THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE PRACTICAL ACTION WILL BE
ON THE FIRST AVAILABLE WORKING DAY , WHICH IS MONDAY 16/07/2018.

DAVID HAS INFORMED ME THAT I AM TO RETURN THE SANDWICH BAR TO YOU SO
VOLUNTEER STUART AND MYSELF ARE CLEANING AND CLEARING IT SO THAT A NEW
TENANT CAN TAKE IT OVER.

IN ADDITION TO ANY PROSECTIVE TENANTS THAT YOU MAY KNOW OF, THE YOUNG
MAN WITH THE SCOOTER WHO WORKS IN THE 1st LINE TAXI OFFICE HAS A
FRIEND WHO WAS INTERESTED IN BUYING THE LEASE SO THAT COULD BE WORTH
YOU FOLLOWING UP.

ALTHOUGH BOTH LCMI AND MYSELF ARE ABOUT SERVING THE LORD JESUS CHRIST
IT WOULD SEEM THAT WE EACH HAVE A DIFFERENT WAY OF DOING THAT AND I AM
SEPARATING MYSELF FROM LCMI SO THAT I CAN FOCUS ON MY VISION OF
MISSION.

REGARDING THE 1st FLOOR OFFICE I PROPOSE THAT I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY
FOR IT FROM 16/07/2018 AND PAY HALF THE JULY RENT AND FROM 1st AUGUST
CONTINUE WITH PAYING YOU AS DUE ON THE 1st OF EACH MONTH. THIS SHOULD
HELP DAVID WITH CASH FLOW MANAGEMENT AND ENABLE BOTH MINISTRIES TO BE
MORE EFFICIENT.

I WOULD NOT WANT TO CARRY ON WITH THE TOP FLOOR OFFICE SO I NEED TO
FIND OUT WHAT LCMI WOULD WANT TO DO.

PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHAT ACTIONS YOU WANT ME TO TAKE AND WHEN IS
CONVENIENT TO MEET.

The Use of our Charity Name after Resignation,

and suspected collecting of Charity Funds

at Tesco Supermarkets not for this Charity.

 

Time after time, communication after communication we have made attempts to negotiate with Clive Stanley Bate as we have intimated. In June 2019 we travelled from Scotland to meet up at Holton Road, Barry to a pre-arranged meeting, a meeting that did not happen, CB not turning up. Pictures were taken of the property that showed on one poster the continued use of our charity name.

 

In view of this letters have been sent to Tesco Management (copy following) locally to check the credentials of Clive Stanley Bate should he still be collecting at their supermarkets. Also, government agencies (copies following) with which he claims to be connected have also been informed to ensure that they know that CB is not connected with us.

 

15/10/2019 13:06:22

Attention of Tesco Store Management in the Cardiff and Barry Area

For some time it was to our understanding that CLIVE STANLEY BATE based at 50 Holton Road, Barry, CF63 4HE representing this Charity collected monies at some of your supermarkets. We thank you so much for giving him this opportunity.

However, in October last year he resigned continuing we understand at Holton Road a ministry, still showing our Charity name on its door. Our concern is that he still continues to collect funds at your stores showing our Charity name. We suggest you check his charity credentials noting that it is now not this charity that he represents.

We trust this makes the position clear, we are happy to provide more information should it be required.

Yours sincerely,

 

 

David P Griffiths – Trustee and Minister

 

17/10/2019 09:52:09

GVS

Barry Community Enterprise Centre

Skomer Road

Barry

CF62 9DA

For some time it was to our understanding that CLIVE STANLEY BATE based at 50 Holton Road, Barry, CF63 4HE representing this Charity attended your meetings and represented this Charity.

However, in October last year he resigned continuing we understand at Holton Road a ministry, still showing our Charity name on its door. Our concern is that he still continues representing this Charity with you. We suggest you check his charity credentials noting that it is now not this charity that he represents.

We trust this makes the position clear, we are happy to provide more information should it be required.

Yours sincerely,

 

David P Griffiths – Trustee and Minister

 

17/10/2019 09:52:54

Attention of Dewis Cymru via their website -

https://www.dewis.wales/SearchResults.aspx?q=*&loc=CF63+4HE&d=5&c=
 

Re AWJCG, Barry (that appears on your website)

Please note that CLIVE STANLEY BATE based at 50 Holton Road, Barry, CF63 4HE no longer represents this charity and Church Ministry. It is noted on your site that CB still calls himself “Rev” although he has had this ordination withdrawn from us, although he could have received an ordination from another organisation. We have tried to find out as to whom his oversight might be but without success.

In October last year he resigned from us, continuing we understand at Holton Road a ministry, still showing our Charity name on its door. Our concern is that he still continues representing this Charity with you. We suggest you check his charity and ministry credentials noting that it is now not this charity that he represents.

We note the services advertised on your site, it being our view that there needs to be an oversight of the ministry that seems to not exist, indeed it seems now that this is a one man band, although of course he may have an oversight that we know nothing about. Our view is that it needs checking, we having concern that the services being shown here can indeed be provided in a professional way.

In the past funds for the operation have been collected from supermarkets, we contacting Tesco management in your area to check that he has charity credentials for this activity, as he no longer represents us.

We are here to be completely open and transparent with you about this, for some years Clive was a trustee and Minister with us, but please note this ended last October.

Yours sincerely,

 

David P Griffiths – Trustee and Minister

The Breaking of the Policies of this Charity and lack of accounting practice particularly in relation to shop stock. In addition a deal made with Payzone on behalf of the Charity unapproved by trustees, him persuading Rev Haroon Masih to sign it with him.

 

Major back up was given to Clive Stanley Bate in relation to the setting up of the shop, the right insurances, policies and procedures etc., not only for the shop but also the offices he ran in the Charity’s name, one office we understand he continues to run at 50 Holton Road.

We are concerned that Clive Stanley Bate is collecting funds from supermarkets using our Charity name, not having a registered charity of his own, not producing independently produced accounts and not having the corrects insurances, procedures and policies for the services he claims to provide on government websites.

 

Further as we discover on the other side of the poster clearly visible to readers is the name of our Charity, hence we have informed Tesco and government agencies of this so they can be aware that funds may be collected in our name and registration, it being interesting to note that the authority being claimed here for operations is God – Elohim, ignoring it would seem the principles of open and transparent accounting and the keeping of procedures and policies; ignoring too the Biblical command of an oversight on earth, Clive Bate on being questioned on this relating to God in heaven rather than his prophets, his people on earth.

 

1 Corinthians 14:32 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

These policies relate to MANAGING VOLUNTEERS which has a procedure for “settling differences”, a procedure CB failed to respond to. Further policies relate to Handling Complaints, EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES POLICY that demands all people be dealt with dignity and respect, HEALTH AND SAFETY POLICY, and a PROTECTION OF CHILDREN AND VULNERABLE ADULTS POLICY.

 

As regards to EXPENSES POLICY it is our view that Clive Stanley Bate has clearly broken this by not giving annual reports of his operations and not keeping account of stock and not collating receipts. This is what we have intimated to CB and to trustees in the monthly procedural reports.

 

THE MINISTRY AT BARRY STILL HAS NOT PROVIDED AN ANNUAL  REPORT and so in my view legally we have invoiced Clive for the 17-18 costs of Barry – also for the time during 18-19

 

THE MINISTRY AT BARRY STILL HAS NOT PROVIDED THESE RECEIPTS and so in my view legally we have invoiced Clive for these costs of Barry –

 

Receipts: 2018 June

 

Barry Stock: £1; £1-09; £5; £1; £1-49; £1; £7-70; £0-78; £6-42; £5-05; £0-65; £1-09; £1; £18; £7-09; £2; £7-60; £16-75 =       £84-71

Receipts: 2018 May

Shop Supplies

£130-99

12 05 18               Wilko                                        May 61                               1-00

14 05 18               Wilko                                        May 62                               2-00

16 05 18               Morrisons                                May 63                               4-20

16 05 18               Tesco                                         May 64                               8-45

16 05 18               Tesco                                         May 65                               2-40 

17 05 18               Asda                                          May 66                               22-00

17 05 18               Lidl                                             May 67                               14-99

17 05 18               Nisbets                                     May 68                               17-96

18 05 18               Solution Express                    May 69                               19-20

21 05 18               Wilko                                        May 70                               0-60

21 05 18               Tesco                                         May 71                               4-00

22 05 18               Tesco                                         May 72                               3-68

22 05 18               IKEA                                         May 73                               4-25

23 05 18               Tesco                                         May 74                               8-00

23 05 18               IKEA                                         May 75                                3-90

25 05 18               WILKO                                      May 76                               0-60

25 05 18               TESCO                                       May 77                               3-59

25 05 18               Frangoulis                                 May 78                              5-00

27 05 18               Tesco                                         May 79                               1-05

27 05 18               Home Bargains                       May 80                               2-27

  1. 5 18               Wilko                                        May 81                               1-25 

 

Receipts and explanations will deal with this expenditure, and financial accountability to give to our accountant with an annual report – plus a further report for activities in Barry during year 18-19. These are required Clive as considerable Charity expenditure has gone through the Charity books and we need to account for us – even the backup funds I personally am putting in as designated offerings to cover the ongoing Barry losses.

 

http://www.ecctv.org/7-year-business-plan

 

As regards to EXPENSES POLICY it is our view that Clive Stanley Bate has clearly broken this by not giving annual reports of his operations and not keeping account of stock and not collating receipts. This is what we have intimated to CB and to trustees in the monthly procedural reports.

 

Further to this is a CONFLICT OF INTEREST POLICY which is very detailed forbidding any collaboration in a deal relating to the Charity even with someone where there is a close personal relationship, the language in the emails towards the Landlord giving hint of this, also a SAFEGUARDING POLICY to protect individuals, it being viewed by trustees that the tremendous there has been on remaining trustees by CB is a break of this, further an INFORMATION SECURITY POLICY.

This whole matter in relation to trustee responsibility which we put forward Clive Stanley Bate has failed to live up to be as follows:

 

The following has been written by E M Lindsay Griffiths, Procedures Secretary – all matters relating to this now must be referred to the Procedures Secretary who will place replies towards trustees.

 

Legal Addendum re Role & Responsibilities of Trustees

(1) Declaration of Trust – founding legal document of LCMI Church South Cheshire Trust:

Page 9: GENERAL PROVISIONS

27.“ANY Trustee dissenting from any lawful decision of the majority of the Trustees shall nevertheless concur in executing and doing all such instruments and acts as may be requisite for the purpose of giving effect to such decision.”

Page 9: TRUSTEES AND SPIRITUAL AUTHORITY

29. “THE spiritual government and leadership of the Church Fellowship for the purpose of which the Trust has been established shall remain with the recognised spiritual leadership of the Church Fellowship and to the extent to which the Trustees are not synonymous with the church leadership their powers shall be confined to the proper management and administration of the Trust Fund in accordance with the provisions of this Deed and in furtherance of the said objects and in so doing they shall have full and proper regard to such spiritual leadership provided always that they shall not act outside their powers as conferred by this Deed and by the general law.”

Please note that clause 29 above relates directly to 2 documents referred to in the main body of this letter:

A. 2017 BIBLE COLLEGE WALES MINISTRY MANUAL

B. BIBLE COLLEGE WALES God’s Government and order for the Church.

(2) Trustee Duties & Responsibilities – A Summary:

Charity Trustees: What you need to know, what you need to do (OSCR – Scottish Charity Regulator: www.oscr.org.uk

 

“1. Always do what is best for your charity: as a charity trustee you have a legal responsibility to put the interests of your charity above your own interests.

 2. Know your charitable purpose(s): everything you do should be directed at achieving only the purposes set out in your governing document.

 3. Understand your charity’s finances: all the charity trustees are responsible for the charity’s finances and must have access to the financial records.

 4. Act with care and diligence: you have to protect your charity including its beneficiaries, assets and reputation.

 5. Have a copy of your governing document: know what it says, understand what it means, and what you have to do.

 6. Declare and manage conflicts of interest: All charity trustees have a collective responsibility to manage conflicts of interest and to act in the charity’s interests.

 7. Understand your charity’s legal responsibilities: make sure your charity is meeting its legal duties under charity law and other relevant laws

8. Work together for the good of the charity: all the charity trustees are collectively responsible for making sure that the charity is run responsibly and lawfully.”

(3) Charity Commission for England and Wales: Booklet CC3“The essential trustee: what you need to know, what you need to do”

www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-essential-trustee-what-you-need-to-know-cc3

1.1 Must and should - what they mean

In this guidance:

  • ‘must’ means something is a legal or regulatory requirement or duty that trustees must comply with

  • ‘should’ means something is good practice that the Commission expects trustees to follow and apply to their charity

 

Following the good practice specified in this guidance will help you to run your charity effectively, avoid difficulties and comply with your legal duties. Charities vary in terms of their size and activities. Consider and decide how best to apply this good practice to your charity’s circumstances. The Commission expects you to be able to explain and justify your approach, particularly if you decide not to follow good practice in this guidance.

In some cases you will be unable to comply with your legal duties if you do not follow the good practice. For example:

Your legal duty

It’s vital that you

Act in your charity’s best interests

Deal with conflicts of interest

Manage your charity’s resources responsibly

Implement appropriate financial controls 
Manage risks

Act with reasonable care and skill

Take appropriate advice when you need to, for example when buying or selling land, or investing (in some cases this is a legal requirement)

Trustees who act in breach of their legal duties can be held responsible for consequences that flow from such a breach and for any loss the charity incurs as a result. When the Commission looks into cases of potential breach of trust or duty or other misconduct or mismanagement, it may take account of evidence that trustees have exposed the charity, its assets or its beneficiaries to harm or undue risk by not following good practice.

2. Trustees’ duties at a glance

[Including the following most important and relevant sections]

2.3 Act in your charity’s best interests

You must:

  • do what you and your co-trustees (and no one else) decide will best enable the charity to carry out its purposes

  • with your co-trustees, make balanced and adequately informed decisions, thinking about the long term as well as the short term

  • avoid putting yourself in a position where your duty to your charity conflicts with your personal interests or loyalty to any other person or body

  • not receive any benefit from the charity unless it is properly authorised and is clearly in the charity’s interests; this also includes anyone who is financially connected to you, such as a partner, dependent child or business partner

 

2.4 Manage your charity’s resources responsibly

You must act responsibly, reasonably and honestly. This is sometimes called the duty of prudence. Prudence is about exercising sound judgement. You and your co-trustees must:

  • make sure the charity’s assets are only used to support or carry out its purposes

  • avoid exposing the charity’s assets, beneficiaries or reputation to undue risk

  • not over-commit the charity

  • take special care when investing or borrowing

  • comply with any restrictions on spending funds or selling land

You and your co-trustees should put appropriate procedures and safeguards in place and take reasonable steps to ensure that these are followed. Otherwise you risk making the charity vulnerable to fraud or theft, or other kinds of abuse, and being in breach of your duty.

 

6.2 Making decisions

You and your co-trustees are ultimately responsible for deciding what activities the charity will undertake, what resources it will need, how it will obtain and use them. Collective decision making is one of the most important parts of the trustee role. Some decisions are simple and straightforward; others can be complex or far reaching in their consequences. When you and your co-trustees make decisions about your charity, you must:

  • act within your powers

  • act in good faith, and only in the interests of your charity

  • make sure you are sufficiently informed, taking any advice you need

  • take account of all relevant factors you are aware of

  • ignore any irrelevant factors

  • deal with conflicts of interest and loyalty

  • make decisions that are within the range of decisions that a reasonable trustee body could make in the circumstances

 

You should record how you made more significant decisions in case you need to review or explain them in the future.

 

6.5 Avoid mistakes - deal with conflicts of interest

 

Conflicts of interest (and conflicts of loyalty) are more common than people often think. If one of your fellow trustees appears to have a conflict of interest you should say so; you are not calling their integrity into question by doing so.

In deciding how to deal with a conflict of interest, trustees should be mindful of what feels right, and also how others might view the trustees’ actions.

Where conflicts of interest have not been identified or properly dealt with, it can have negative impacts on both the charity and individual trustees including financial cost and reputational damage. Because the trustees have acted in breach of their duty, decisions may be called into question or legally challenged. The Commission may have to take regulatory action to protect the charity from further harm or to deal with any misconduct or mismanagement by the trustees.

7.1 Managing risks

A risk is anything that could, if it happened, affect your charity achieving its purposes or carrying out its plans. All charities face some risks. The risks your charity might face will depend on factors such as its size, funding and activities. For example, managing property, employing staff, using volunteers, using IT, working with children or people at risk, or implementing change all involve elements of risk.

You and your co-trustees should manage risk responsibly. You have a duty to avoid exposing your charity to undue risk. This doesn’t mean being risk averse. Risk management is the process of identifying and assessing risks, and deciding how to deal with them. It may involve an element of responsible risk taking, and is central to how trustees make decisions.

7.6 Managing property (land and buildings)

If the charity owns or rents land or buildings, you and your co-trustees should:

  • make sure the property is recorded as belonging to the charity - see section 11 of this guidance

  • know on what terms it’s held

  • ensure it’s properly maintained and being correctly used

  • make sure the charity has sufficient insurance

[Comment: Bullet points 1, 2, and 4 were all carried out, 1 and 2 concerning the Lease document; insurance in point 4 were put in place by the Charity’s headquarters staff, together with health and safety notices, and posters for the premises.]

10. Reduce the risk of liability

It’s extremely rare, but not impossible, for charity trustees to be held personally liable:

  • to their charity, for a financial loss caused by them acting improperly

  • to a third party that has a legal claim against the charity that the charity can’t meet

Understanding potential liabilities will help you to protect yourself and your charity by taking action to reduce the risk. This includes complying with duties covered in this guidance. It also includes deciding whether your charity should become incorporated.

10.1 Personal liability to the charity

Trustees can be held liable to their charity for any financial loss they cause or help to cause. This applies to any type of charity whatever its legal form.

The law generally protects trustees who have acted honestly and reasonably from personal liability to their charity. The Commission and the courts:

  • can relieve trustees from liability if they have acted honestly and reasonably and have not benefited from their actions

  • rarely enforce liability on an unpaid trustee who has made an honest mistake

  • expect higher standards from trustees who act in a professional capacity or are paid for being trustees

 

Trustees who receive an unauthorised payment or benefit from their charity have a duty to account for (ie repay) it.

 

The Commission can’t relieve trustees from this duty.

 

There is no legal protection for trustees who have acted dishonestly, negligently or recklessly. However, there may be financial protection for those trustees who have made an honest mistake and can rely on the indemnity provisions in the charity’s governing document, insurance cover or relief from the Commission or the court.

10.2 Liability to third parties

Charities or their trustees can become liable to a third party who has a claim against the charity such as:

  • breaches of an employee’s terms, conditions or rights

  • failing to pay for goods or services, or to fulfil the terms of a contract

  • a member of the public being injured on the charity’s premises

  • liability to any staff pension scheme

 

If the charity is incorporated, the charity itself will be liable for the claim. Some types of incorporated body (companies, CIOs and Community Benefit Societies) can specifically limit the liability of their trustees and members.

If the charity is unincorporated, the trustees have to sign contracts and other agreements personally, and will have to meet any claim. The charity can normally meet any liabilities that you incur as a trustee provided you have acted honestly and reasonably. (Some charities also have power to indemnify trustees against liability arising from an honest mistake.) But if you incur liabilities that exceed the value of the charity’s assets, you could be liable for any amount that the charity can’t cover.

[Comment: as a Trust, we in LCMI are unincorporated]

 

Notes from OSCR Video by Investment Consultant: ‘Top 10 Tips for Trustees” www.oscr.org.uk

[This extract is from ‘OSCR Reporter’ Magazine for December 2018, section titled ‘Charity Investments: Guidance & Good Practice.”]

 Key points to help you make decisions about your charity’s investments:

1. Understand your charity’s finances, including investments

All the charity trustees are collectively responsible for the charity’s investments and should have access to investment valuations and reports (not just the Treasurer or Finance/Investment Committee). 

2. Check your investment powers

Understand what, if anything, your governing document says about investments and any legislation relevant to your charity’s legal form. 

3. Know your charity trustee duties

You must make sure that any investment activities are in the best interests of the charity, weighing up the pros and cons before making a decision that could significantly impact the running of the charity.

4. Consider your charity’s reputation

Your reputation is an asset to be protected. Charity trustees have a duty to act with care and diligence to protect a charity’s assets and reputation.

5. Get help and advice if you need it

Consider what help or advice you need to support your charity in making decisions about its investments. 

6. Create an investment policy statement

It’s good practice for charity trustees to record policy decisions, keep them under review and include the information in your annual report and accounts.

7. Think about your charity’s purposes

Consider how you connect your investments with your charity’s purposes and delivery of your strategy. 

8. Think about the range of investments

Understand there are different kinds of returns, measured in different ways: financial, social, environmental or otherwise – think about what is right for your charity.

9. Understand your responsibilities  

You may have power to delegate investment decisions to an investment manager, but you retain overall responsibility.

10. Keep up to speed 

Stay up to date with investment developments through events, seminars and other training.

Conclusion:

All relevant points are highlighted 

All 4 sources are referenced.

iv) The monthly Procedural Report to trustees and trustees to be in relation to the Barry operation left by Clive Stanley Bate

 

Trustees have monthly been kept informed in detail as regards to the financial repercussions relating to Former Trustee and Minister Clive Stanley Bate.

 

This is the final one (April 2019) of the year, noting that SHOP STOCK was bought with no mention by CB of where the stock is.

 

It is the belief of trustees that because of the lack of accounting practice, because of the assurances not kept to by Clive Stanley Bate, that this individual at the end of this financial year owes the Charity £45,393-44.

 

Procedural Bulletin 2018-19

MONTH 12 – APRIL 2019:

01 May’18 to 30 April 2019

 

Attention of Trustees: re Losses at Whithorn and Barry

 

Writes DPG – It is my view that with 2 sets of solicitors help, our chartered accountant, our open transparent accounting etc. that our Whithorn operation is open and transparent & to the best of our ability, with regular trustee notification in line with Biblical, Civil and Criminal protocol.

 

However this not the case in South Wales, where in my view there is a former trustee who has not kept to guidelines.

 

It needs to be remembered that our battle is not against “flesh and blood” and of course we will operate with the Constitutional demand to apply law with “law and justice in mercy” but in my view, in this case there have been criminal breaches which is why we need legal advice.

 

You the trustees, and those coming on board need to take a very active role in this, on receiving the advice.

 

 

  1. Whithorn – The Property Purchase has now gone through and you can all view this on the November Financial Statement. It is my view that the Whithorn accounts are in order and perfectly understandable in relation to the ongoing unexpected costs in relation to the deeds and the Land Registry.

 

We are running losses at Whithorn of about £2,000 a month

 

I thank God for his guidance in April 2019 with the Daily appeal and Prayers of Petition that have had a massive breakthrough attached to them with an increase in outside giving and return of the David Owen bill in full. Hallelujah!

 

 

2. Barry – It is my view that former trustee Clive Bate has not kept to his assurances over the ongoing lease at Barry Sandwich Shop. However, I am still working hard to bring him back on board to these responsibilities both in the spiritual and temporal, keeping the matter primarily within the Church appointing Rev Dr Suresh Ramachandran as our overseer. The Ministry at Barry has stated that the overseer there is Elohim. The points on Barry coming out in the coming End of Year report are

 

Barry – a full assessment and report to trustees, and to oversight.

  1. The assurances of the Barry ministry on taking on of the Lease

  2. The change there with refusals to join us at the Table, and answer 3 key questions

  3. Is this Jezebel – proof?

  4. Use of Elohim over Jesus and no oversight in a Biblical sense.

  5. DPG responsibility for the Lease – in view of protecting a brother but is this the case now? Has Clive left the faith?

  6. The Spiritual – Our Government Document and Breakages

  7. The Temporal – The failure to provide receipts and give information on stock purchase, failure to provide a full annual report.

  8. Are we legally obligated to invoice for the whole period of non-accountability?

 

A full financial assessment has now been sent to Clive Bate, proving at this time in my view that there is an owing back to the Charity from him that during April has gone up to £45,393-44. We have a copy of his signature for the document sent by SPECIAL DELIVERY.

 

We do not hear from him, and it is a trustee decision what to do next.

 

My view is we take legal advice from Stewardship – they offering a legal service at £50 per annum.

 

It is my view there are Biblical, civil and criminal abuses of protocol here.

 

This owing shows on the financial statement – a statement that gives every opportunity to work together on this in relation to his assurances, and his ability to keep to scriptural as well as temporal procedures.

 

No reply has been received; and we are under obligation as we have raised a serious incident report to send the report you have received to them before reporting the 18-19 figures by next February.

 

It is likely should Clive Bate to continue to ignore our approaches that our representatives could well advise a legal course.

 

Barry: Severe losses (figures follow) have occurred at this ministry operation since March 2018.

The losses figure is now at £45,393-44 with NIL coming in from Barry during April 2019. Also the Barry Ministry has not answered our detailed FINANCIAL ASSESSMENT.

 

2018-19 BARRY OPERATION

Financial Figures

 

MARCH 2018                                                       Profit and Loss

£1,197-63 IN; £2,651-11 OUT                               -£1,453-49

APRIL 2018                                                           Profit and Loss

£1,731-61 IN; £2,082-11 OUT                               -£350-50

MAY 2018                                                               Profit and Loss

£418-05 IN; £2,034-40 OUT                                  -£1,616-35

JUNE 2018                                                               Profit and Loss

£1,118-16 IN; £1,416-58 OUT                               -£298-42

JULY 2018                                                               Profit and Loss

£658-05 IN; £598-33 OUT                                     £59-72

AUGUST 2018                                                      Profit and Loss

£2-50 IN; £964-45 OUT                                         £961-95

SEPTEMBER 2018                                                Profit and Loss

NIL IN; £631-20 OUT                                           £631-20

OCTOBER 2018                                                    Profit and Loss

NIL IN; £198-66 OUT                                           £198-66

NOVEMBER 2018                                                Profit and Loss

NIL IN; £397-32 OUT                                           £397-32

DECEMBER 2018                                                 Profit and Loss

NIL IN; £1,192 OUT                                             £1,192-00

 

JANUARY 2019                                                    Profit and Loss

NIL IN; £596 OUT                                                £596

FEBRUARY 2019                                                  Profit and Loss

NIL IN; £596 OUT                                                £596

MARCH 2019                                                        Profit and Loss

NIL IN; £149 OUT                                                £149

APRIL 2019                                                           Profit and Loss

NIL IN; £149 OUT                                                £894

TOTAL LOSS

SINCE MARCH 2018 =                                                 £9,275-17

£36,118-27 owing from non-accounting of 17-18 plus 18-19 period plus £9,275-17 = £45,393-44

OWING ALTOGETHER – this is the current total.

TEMPORAL RESPONSIBILITIES

 

THE MINISTRY AT BARRY STILL HAS NOT PROVIDED AN ANNUAL  REPORT and so in my view legally we have invoiced Clive for the 17-18 costs of Barry – trustee view is appreciated; also for the time during 18-19

 

 THE MINISTRY AT BARRY STILL HAS NOT PROVIDED THESE RECEIPTS and so in my view legally we have invoiced Clive for these costs of Barry – trustee view is appreciated.

Receipts: 2018 June

Barry Stock: £1; £1-09; £5; £1; £1-49; £1; £7-70; £0-78; £6-42; £5-05; £0-65; £1-09; £1; £18; £7-09; £2; £7-60; £16-75 =       £84-71

 

Receipts: 2018 May

 

Shop Supplies

£130-99

12 05 18               Wilko                                        May 61                               1-00

14 05 18               Wilko                                        May 62                               2-00

16 05 18               Morrisons                                May 63                               4-20

16 05 18               Tesco                                         May 64                               8-45

16 05 18               Tesco                                         May 65                               2-40 

17 05 18               Asda                                          May 66                               22-00

17 05 18               Lidl                                             May 67                               14-99

17 05 18               Nisbets                                     May 68                               17-96

18 05 18               Solution Express                    May 69                               19-20

21 05 18               Wilko                                        May 70                               0-60

21 05 18               Tesco                                         May 71                               4-00

22 05 18               Tesco                                         May 72                               3-68

22 05 18               IKEA                                         May 73                                4-25

23 05 18               Tesco                                         May 74                               8-00

23 05 18               IKEA                                         May 75                                3-90

25 05 18               WILKO                                      May 76                               0-60

25 05 18               TESCO                                       May 77                               3-59

25 05 18               Frangoulis                                 May 78                               5-00

27 05 18               Tesco                                         May 79                               1-05

27 05 18               Home Bargains                       May 80                               2-27

  1. 5 18               Wilko                                        May 81                               1-25 

 

Receipts and explanations will deal with this expenditure, and financial accountability to give to our accountant with an annual report – plus a further report for activities in Barry during year 18-19. These are required Clive as considerable Charity expenditure has gone through the Charity books and we need to account for us – even the backup funds I personally am putting in as designated offerings to cover the ongoing Barry losses.

 

http://www.ecctv.org/7-year-business-plan

 

3.  David M Owen of Ystragynlais, South Wales.

 

NOW PAID UP!

v) Obligations to Vale of Glamorgan Council contrary to advices given by Clive Stanley Bate

 

The Charity has been billed by Vale of Glamorgan Council in relation to business rates for the property despite of the assurances of Clive Stanley Bate in relation to this, as seen in the following email and in the assurances given by CB shown at the beginning of this report.

 

revclive@awjcg.co.uk

Mon, 3 Dec, 15:07 (3 days ago)

 

 

to me

 

GREETINGS
 
VINCE ASKED ME THIS MORNING TO REMIND YOU TO NOTIFY THE COUNCIL THAT YOU ARE A REGISTERED CHARITY SO THAT THEY DO NOT CHARGE YOU BUSINESS RATES.

I AM JUST PASSING ON THE MESSAGE AS REQUESTED.


Clive

 

The following letter was sent to the Council in December 2018, but still the Council continues to bill us. These bills in dispute have therefore not been registered on the accounts of the Charity.

We are holding bills which we have not registered on the Charity’s books from the Council for £4,976-38, because it has been Constitutional Protocol for registered charities not to pay such bills for many years, also we have no keys to the property and existing trustees have never used it.

 

The Council has been contacted by our Procedures Secretary and it is understood that they are holding back at this stage. The matter of appeal therefore is ongoing. It would seem the Council have suggested that we forfeit the property forthwith to the Landlord, the trustees being unsure at this stage of the legal position here in such circumstances.

 

03/12/2018 16:19:15

The Vale of Glamorgan Council

Business Rates Department

Civic Offices

Holton Road

BARRY

CF63 4HE

 

Dear Sir or Madam

 

Re. 50C Holton Road

BARRY

South Wales

CH63 4HE

Your Ref. 101543000

 

This property has remained empty for some time, the property being owned by Vincent Driscoll, and the above named Charity having leased it from him.

 

We understand every attempt is being made to re-lease the property.

 

We did not open it because our former trustee Clive Bate (who lives nearby) who had persuaded trustees to take on the property as a community outreach take-away suddenly resigned and walked out on us leaving us with the lease. The Charity is in process of making a full inquiry into this.

 

We are not receiving any income from the property, only expenditure, the inquiry looking into how we can solve this situation.

 

Our understanding is that as a registered charity we are not liable to business rates, and also I suspect that the property is empty doing no business.

 

If we can be of further assistance, please let us know.

 

Yours sincerely,

 

 

 

 

Rev David P Griffiths

 

vi) The Ongoing Attempts to Sell on the Lease & the notice being given in line with the emails of Clive Stanley Bate.

 

We note that the property is showing available through local agent Knights. https://knights.uk.com/property/holton-road-barry-the-vale-of-glamorgan-cf63-4he-2/

 

It is interesting that the rent is now less than what we paid, the e mails from CB showing huge interest in the property, yet at a lesser price the property is still available. It should also be noted that equipment we paid for at £1,500 - £333-34 owing is now on offer for use with the property.

 

We ask why the change of circumstances intimated by CB so dramatically that no one has taken the property.

 

The Council has suggested we forfeit the property, thus the following mail to the Landlord on 23 10 19.

 

Vince

cc Clive Bate; LCMI TRUST TRUSTEES

 

Thank you for your mail in relation to the rent of the shop. I have budgeted funds to send this week.

 

The Charity has certainly struggled to pay the rent and at present Vale of Glamorgan Council have been pushing for it seems £4,976-38 of unpaid business rates, even though we are a registered charity, it being constitutional protocol that charities should not have to pay such bills, particularly as not one penny has reached the Charity from sales since taking on the lease.

 

In taking the lease Clive Bate gave written assurances as regards to your attitude in relation to the lease which we put towards you now.

 

AS REGARDS TO E MAIL ONE - THEREFORE we put this into practice, and as an act of good will not give just 2 months’ notice but 3 giving notice till the end of December 2019 or until the shop is leased out, this offer being subject to trustee and accountants agreement.

 

In his writing CB declared yourself as "better than a flexible friend" requiring 2 months to find new tenants and here I am offering more. Also, the assurance from Clive Bate in relation to rates seems to be different to that which the Council is saying, a matter between us and him of course - but on your matter, what is your response? Your help as a Councillor with the Council would be appreciated as regards to rates as their position is very hard for us.

 

Lindsay (aged 71), I (aged 66) and Brian (aged 70) are the ones running this Charity from Whithorn, we believing the assurances of Clive Bate and doing our best to cover the substantial losses. Brian has been critically ill over the best months at times requiring full time care, and I have had to overcome a serious condition too restricting us all from the fundraising we may have done. We therefore ask for your understanding, we emphasizing our many attempts to work with Clive over this, his role now about to go into scrutiny by accountants, as is inevitable with a registered charity. 

 

The Lease states that should we be 21 days late with rent, then it would seem we forfeit the property which would suit us fine, and indeed by phone Vale of Glamorgan Council apparently have suggested that we forfeit the property thus making us not liable for the rates demanded.

 

A Serious Incident Report is being collated in relation to Clive Bate's role in this is in process of being sent to our accountants in relation to our financial year 18-19. We have tried time after time to negotiate with him, even to an agreed meeting in June at Barry but he did not turn up or answer his phone.

 

I ask you to study the following e mail carefully either verifying or not verifying its content, understanding we have always looked to sort all this out between us all, being open to our accountants of course and to government agencies. This email is part of our report about to be sent to accountants.

 

Thanks Vince

 

 

The Email proofs sent by Clive Stanley Bate

E MAIL 1: THE PROOF OF PERSUASION OF TRUSTEES AND ASSURANCES

i)               From the following e mail CB declares a race for the shop, and that Vince Driscoll prefers us to have it, that there is great demand for it so a three year lease was agreed so as to protect our Charity from increases, CB declaring that Vince had agreed that if we had problems then as long as we give him 2 months to find new tenants we would be released from the lease, Vince being a “better flexible friend” than a credit card. A deal which we took for equipment is mentioned as is the business rate charge, all of this being now questionable.

01 03 18 ………..

"THERE IS A LOT OF DEMAND FOR THIS PROPERTY SINCE 4 PEOPLE ARE AFTER IT
ALREADY ACCORDING TO VINCE THIS LUNCHTIME.

VINCE WOULD PREFER US TO RUN THE CATERING OPERATION AS HE KNOWS US AND
KNOWS WHAT WE DO.

THE DEAL THAT OLD SCHOOL VINCE IS OFFERING THE CHARITY IS A WEEKLY
RENT OF £146.00 WITH AN UP FRONT PAYMENT OF 4/5 WEEKS FOLLOWED WITH
RENT OF 146.00 BEING PAID WEEKLY ON A 2 YEAR OR LONGER LEASE AS TO OUR
CHOICE. IT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED THAT A LONGER TERM LEASE  PROTECTS
OUR CHARITY FROM RENT INCREASES AND CAN FETCH A BETTTER PRICE IN THE
MARKET PLACE, HOWEVER I WOULD SAY THAT THIS IS NOT A MAJOR
CONSIDERATION SINCE WE HAVE ESTABLISHED AN EXCELLENT RELATIONSHIP WITH
VINCE.

VINCE HAS ALSO SAID THAT TO HELP US SHOULD WE HAVE PROBLEMS HE IS
WILLING TO CANCEL THE LEASE AS LONG AS WE GIVE HIM 2 MONTHS TO FIND
NEW TENANTS. WE COULD SAY THAT VINCE IS A BETTER FLEXIBLE FRIEND THAN
A CREDIT CARD.

VINCE IS PURCHASING ALL THE CATERING EQUIPMENT FROM THE FORMER TENANT
FOR £1,500.00. HE NEEDS US TO PAY HIM THIS AMOUNT TO TAKE OWNERSHIP OF
THIS EQUIPMENT WHICH IS IN VERY GOOD ORDER. TO HELP US WITH OUR CASH
FLOW VINCE IS WILLING TO ACCEPT PAYMENT BY INSTALMENTS.

THE BUSINESS RATES ARE BETWEEN £5.00 AND ZERO PER MONTH."  

 

On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 at 14:56, Vincent Driscoll <vince.d@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

Dear David

   Please can your pay rent ,your falling further behind

Regards

Vince

 

Summary of situation e mail to Clive Bate in relation to Landlord Response dated 24 10 19

 

Clive Bate .......

cc LCMI TRUST TRUSTEES

WITHOUT PREJUDICE

Your email -

01 03 18 ………..

"THERE IS A LOT OF DEMAND FOR THIS PROPERTY SINCE 4 PEOPLE ARE AFTER IT
ALREADY ACCORDING TO VINCE THIS LUNCHTIME.

VINCE WOULD PREFER US TO RUN THE CATERING OPERATION AS HE KNOWS US AND
KNOWS WHAT WE DO.

THE DEAL THAT OLD SCHOOL VINCE IS OFFERING THE CHARITY IS A WEEKLY
RENT OF £146.00 WITH AN UP FRONT PAYMENT OF 4/5 WEEKS FOLLOWED WITH
RENT OF 146.00 BEING PAID WEEKLY ON A 2 YEAR OR LONGER LEASE AS TO OUR
CHOICE. IT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED THAT A LONGER TERM LEASE  PROTECTS
OUR CHARITY FROM RENT INCREASES AND CAN FETCH A BETTTER PRICE IN THE
MARKET PLACE, HOWEVER I WOULD SAY THAT THIS IS NOT A MAJOR
CONSIDERATION SINCE WE HAVE ESTABLISHED AN EXCELLENT RELATIONSHIP WITH
VINCE.

VINCE HAS ALSO SAID THAT TO HELP US SHOULD WE HAVE PROBLEMS HE IS
WILLING TO CANCEL THE LEASE AS LONG AS WE GIVE HIM 2 MONTHS TO FIND
NEW TENANTS. WE COULD SAY THAT VINCE IS A BETTER FLEXIBLE FRIEND THAN
A CREDIT CARD.

VINCE IS PURCHASING ALL THE CATERING EQUIPMENT FROM THE FORMER TENANT
FOR £1,500.00. HE NEEDS US TO PAY HIM THIS AMOUNT TO TAKE OWNERSHIP OF
THIS EQUIPMENT WHICH IS IN VERY GOOD ORDER. TO HELP US WITH OUR CASH
FLOW VINCE IS WILLING TO ACCEPT PAYMENT BY INSTALMENTS.


THE BUSINESS RATES ARE BETWEEN £5.00 AND ZERO PER MONTH."  

Having held Vince to this - Vince denies saying this

It would seem therefore you gave a falsehood (indeed there are more) in relation to the taking on of this lease making you in my view liable for the cost, not only for this but also for serious accounting failure, all this having come in the context of you persuading us into cost you assured us would be covered.

 

As you are not replying to us, not showing any inclination to work together with us over this, it will of course be trustees decision on legal process - at present a full report is about to go to further legal examination.

 

Where are the 4 people you mention too?????????

 

It is a shame you walked out on us failing to work through these issues together.

 

Vincent Driscoll

 

to CLIVE, me, BALKRISHAN, BRIAN, LINDSAY, RAVINDER, REV, REV, SURESH, TIM

 

Dear David

    Thank you for your email and your confirmation that rent will follow shortly.As for comments made by Clive,under no circumstances did I say you could give 2 months notice,please refer to the lease.What i would have said is id help you  move the lease on if things became bad.This is what ive been doing unfortunately ive been unsuccessful as have a Local agent who i have engaged to help.

      Can you send me details of who in the Council told you to surrender the lease please .

      If you recall i gave you the opportunity to buy out of the lease sometime ago.An offer you declined.That offer still stands but you need to bring the rent up to date first.

      You should not be receiving rate demands as a charity you are not liable.

     Finally im still trying to ascertain who transferred the electricity account to BES Utilities?

Regards

Vince

E Mail of 24 10 19 to Vince, the Landlord with whom the Charity has good relations, thus upholding the Charity’s reputation

 

Vince

cc LCMI TRUST Trustees

Clive Bate

Thank you very much for your prompt reply

You will understand from Clive's email that trustees took action in relation to his assurance over what he said you said! We have tried to work with Clive over this time after time and because he has not funded anything in relation to this lease we have struggled to pay.

However, you have not over pushed us and looked to work with us and tried to pass on the lease - we note using a local agent Knights.

Is there any actions they can take to get a buyer - often with agents they have promotional actions they can take?

We do not have the funds to pay off the lease at all as the lease is, and appreciate your understanding as we look to work through this together. £596 was paid to you last month on 23 09 19 and am looking to make progress this month.

I am asking Lindsay my wife who spoke to the Council who it was who told us to give up the lease, but your help as a Councillor will be appreciated as the Council are pressing us for substantial funds.

 

Lindsay - please contact Vince - vince.d@hotmail.co.uk

It is good we are working together over this, unfortunately Clive who was very much the key figure in the taking on of this lease is not!

David

 

Part 2: The Spiritual Activities of Clive Stanley Bate

as a Minister of this Ministry

  1. The Biblical Ministry and Discipline Manuals of this ministry – clearly laid out at the Bible College Website.

https://www.thebiblecollegeofwales.org/bible-assemblies

Ministry Procedures:

MINISTRY MANUAL

The Manual begins through a prophecy that came through Lindsay Griffiths:

Word of the Lord through Lindsay Griffiths – 16th.June 2017:

“I want you to cleanse the Temple, with the fire of My Holy Spirit. Purify, just as My Holy Spirit did at Pentecost. Cleanse from all unrighteousness – for did I not say to the Pharisees that the cup must be cleansed on the inside?“

“And that you cannot put new wine into old bottles or new patch on old garment. Yet the system priesthood has long polluted My pure & holy Bride, & she must be cleansed of all unrighteousness.

It is the conviction of the trustees and Ministry Oversight that there has been serious unrighteousness at Barry, serious covenant breaking and the infiltration of an outside force which we are now bringing out into the open, the belief that this is Jezebel.

Part 1: The Manual from the outset lays down the importance of plurality in ministry, the answer from Barry being to our inquiry over their oversight being Elohim. Our manual uses no such terminology.

1 Corinthians 12:27-29 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. 

 

28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. 

 

29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?

To quote KJ Conner: We believe in the shepherding ministry. However, it seems that the title “Pastor” that is used by so many today has become one of the greatest hindrances to the recognition and acceptance of the other four ascension gift ministries.

It is the view of the trustees and ministry overseer that we are dealing with a “one man band” here, not in line with our Manual.

  • The New Testament Model is to have THE CHURCH (singular) and “elders” (plural) in relation to Church in a locality.

  • These elders shepherded the flock, were overseers (bishops) of the flock and were charged to feed the Church.

  • These elders worked closely and in conjunction with the Apostles in solving doctrinal issues and practical issues.

 

We therefore looked to find the oversight at Barry, getting nowhere, discovering that there had been those who had left the ministry, in our view there having been a one man control over others. The Manual gives example after example from the New Testament of Biblical ministry, in our contention not being practiced at the ministry in Barry.

It is the view of Trustees and Overseer that had this been in practice, then the Ministry Outreach could have gone ahead in the Sandwich Bar instead of leaving the Ministry to pick up the bill for non-Biblical practice.

Part 2 relates to the anointing in ministry, ministers not being compelled to do what others tell them to do. We have experienced the breaking of this on a number of occasions from Barry, indeed the evidence is presented here with the Ministry at Barry telling us who were his oversight what we should be doing to solve the serious issues caused in our view by the un-Biblical actions of the ministry at Barry. We have another occasion recorded to us from England in relation to telling others what to do, an action not permitted in this Manual.

Part 4 warns of two active spirits around those in ministry today, that of Jezebel, and that of Absalom. It is our contention that these warnings were not heeded in Barry.

GOD’S GOVERNMENT AND ORDER FOR THE CHURCH

This document covers a number of Biblical Points, in our view clearly broken by the Ministry at Barry.

Biblical Point 1 is that Christ Jesus HIMSELF is the government, yet when we asked for the oversight at Barry, we receive the term Elohim.

The Document points out: The Ministers role is to bring the conditions for individuals to hear from God themselves, maintain peace and harmony in the camp with an expectant ear to the voice of God to bring direction.

It is therefore the role of the Ascension Ministries working with the elders and deacons to ensure that all the Body be in the liberty of the Spirit, in study of the Word of God, in prayer meetings and Bible Study being perfected for the work of the ministry, a Body of Equals hearing from the Spirit to fulfil the Every Creature Call.

We do not believe that this the case at Barry, thus there being a breaking of Biblical Point 1.

Biblical Point 2 relates to the wider ministries, already covered here, it being the view of Trustees and the Overseer that the Ministry at Barry is that of a “loose cannon” thus breaking this point too.

Biblical Point 3 relates to the running of a Local Church Ministry. To quote: This is the Oversight God has appointed for the local church. Despite modern culture and tradition, there is no example in the New Testament of a Pastor leading a local Church, the truly Constituted Church having elders and deacons in plurality. Here the Ascension Ministries ensure that not one man or woman leads a Church, but that there be a plurality of equals through God can speak and direct, the Ascension Ministries ensuring the freedom in Christ of the Body, the removal of Jezebel and Absalom, to bring protection and the unity of the Body.

 

It is therefore the contention of the Trustees and Oversight that there has been a break of this too.

 

It is understood that there has been running of a local mission here, rather than a local Church, but nevertheless the passion to bring the ministry into Biblical format has not been there, there being in our view an emphasis on the ministry to others rather than to God. (Eli v Zadok)

 

Biblical Point 4 relates to having the right attitudes in the Church, not lording it over others. As previously discussed we believe there to be a breach here. To quote:

1 Peter 5:1-3 King James Version (KJV)

The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:

2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;

3 Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being examples to the flock.

 

We are to ensure therefore that Elders should always desire the will of God to be done, and not lord it over others, but be an example to the believers.

 

Biblical Point 5 is the assurance of protection over a Pharisaic approach. Here a ministry has to be with “equal brethren love”, when difficulties occur, there being a coming together in love, approaching issues together in the Lord’s strength, yet from Barry an unbelievable burden was left from who we perceived as a brother, it being the conclusion of the Trustees and Overseer that another spirit was present, forcing the covenant break in relationship, this being Jezebel.

 

Biblical Point 6 again relates to plurality of ministry, the context here in relation to bring discipline. We believe there is a sharp contrast here between the plurality of ministry at Whithorn versus the singularity at Barry, we establishing witnesses to this letter.

Deuteronomy 17:6 King James Version (KJV)

6 At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.

It is therefore the activity of Ministers to ensure that in the mouth of 2 to 3 witnesses that every fact be confirmed, there being safety in the plurality of ministers.

Proverbs 11:14 King James Version (KJV)

14 Where no counsel is, the people fall: but in the multitude of counsellors there is safety.

 

Again we see a break in Biblical protocol at Barry.

Biblical Point 7 relates to the continuous pleading from David P Griffiths to Clive Bate to stay on board with ministry here and work these issues through. Walking out by Clive Bate has resulted in personal responsibility for the Barry losses being taken here, which as a personal statement, I am convicted of as I fully believe the one who instigated the deal at Barry needs to take the full responsibility for it.

Hebrews 13:7 King James Version (KJV)

7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.

 

Biblical Point 8 relates to The Good Shepherd, a role we are taking up here in relation to the continuous pleadings to bring the ministry at Barry back into the ministry and to Biblical Protocol.

Biblical Point 9 relates to the procedure we have gone through to bring discipline into the situation at Barry. There was little reception to my personal pleadings to the ministry at Barry, so I then took it to the trustees and a Ministry Overseer so that this word, this letter be established, it coming with the support of Trustees and the Ministry Overseer.

On this word not being received, we will then go to the whole Worldwide Church, the consequences of not accepting in our Biblical protocol being thus stated.

Matthew 18:15-17 King James Version (KJV)

15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.

 

16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

 

17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

 

We therefore go to a brother who has sinned and reprove him, if he refuses to listen we take 1 or 2 with us, on him still refusing to listen it is taken to the Church, and on still refusing to listen he is then removed from the Assembly as a heathen and publican.

 

Biblical Point 10 relates to accusations against elders, there having been clear accusation from the ministry at Barry not only against the whole ministry but to one elder in particular. This again has been made not in front of witnesses but from CB to DPG, thus there being a breaking in our view of this Biblical Protocol too.

Biblical Point 11 relates to the actions we are taking now to restore the ministry at Barry, understanding it could have been us!

Galatians 6:1 King James Version (KJV)

Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

It is clear that the ministry must restore in a spirit of meekness and humility, considering oneself in relation to the temptations we all go through.

This is why we look to work through these issues together, issues however than cannot be denied, our heart being to deal with the root of this first, which we believe passionately is a spiritual one.

Biblical Point 12 relates to the dealing of sin and evil in the Church. It is our contention this has come through Jezebel.

Biblical Point 13 relates to those in the Church and their associations. We clearly believe there has been an infiltration of Jezebel here.

Biblical Point 14 relates to those who labour in the Word being worthy of double honour. It is our contention that there has been a lack of understanding in the protocols of God’s Word in the ministry at Barry, a lack of ministry training and it is our desire to passionately offer this to the Barry ministry.

It seems that there has been complaint from Barry that there has been lack of support, this we reject, in that we have provided legal protocols and procedures but most importantly huge back up with the Word of God, free courses to those who join the ministry at Barry and so forth. Our contention is that the support has been massive.

Biblical Point 15 relates as to whom is to do the judging, giving us clear authority to judge the time the ministry at Barry was with us, and related consequences. This we are doing and have reached the conclusions outlined in this letter.

Biblical Point 16 relates to covenant breaking and it is our conclusion this has occurred here.

Biblical Point 17 re-emphasizes covenant. To quote: In the New Testament this includes the “all in it together culture” of the Early Church, not only having a covenant culture with God but also with each other as one in God, that is having an open, transparent and honest relationship with each other, the path of true holiness.

 

Biblical Point 18 relates to the confessing of faults one to another. This is why the ministry at Barry was invited to the Lord’s Table with us. Instead of this openness however, we received instruction over what we should be doing thus breaking Biblical protocol.

 

Biblical Point 19 relates to delegation of ministry, in our understanding not occurring at Barry.

Biblical Points 20 and 21 relate to who judges and how issues are to be judged, this letter coming in line with this protocol.

Biblical Point 22 relates to the minister’s greatest enemy pride, and it is our contention in this case that this has well and truly been stirred up through Jezebel.

Biblical Points 23 and 24 relate to the Antioch Line of scripture and the ministry of women.

Biblical Point 25 relates to the Biblical principle of prophets being subject to prophets. We have to ask the question therefore as to whom the ministry at Barry is accountable to, it being our contention that in this case, clearly not the prophets!

1 Corinthians 14:32 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

 

Biblical Point 26 relates to the funding of the storehouse. This has been built under great battle at Whithorn, there needing to be a passion to support this, at a time too of building the Sri Lanka Mission House, the timing of the walk out at Barry being one we put to you of being of devilish origin, of being of interference from an outside force, putting the Storehouse and the Mission House in Sri Lanka at great risk.

 

There has had to be a judgment in line with Biblical protocol that had been clearly laid out to the ministry at Barry, a protocol in our contention that has been ignored, that has been abused and has placed those in the Storehouse under massive pressure.

 

It is also our contention that the protocol for Trustees laid now in British Law has also been ignored by the ministry at Barry, it being our heart that this letter results in an open heart, an open confession and a conclusion that brings us all back together, understanding this Jezebel infiltration and moving on together in an attitude of mutual humility and respect.

 

ii) The removal of the Ministry Ordination of Clive Stanley Bate and failure to notify us of his new oversight in relation to his continued use of “Reverend.”

 

We asked Drs Suresh Ramachandran and Cosby Oliver, well experienced ministers to act as our oversight in these spiritual matters.

 

We informed Clive Stanley Bate of this who replied as follows:

 

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: <revclive@awjcg.co.uk>
Date: Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 2:53 PM
Subject: RE:- LCMI TRUST LOSSES AT BARRY
To: <suresh300808@gmail.com>

 

DEAR SURESH,

YOU MAY REMEMBER ME FROM WHEN YOU VISITED DAVID P GRIFFITHS IN NORTH WALES.

CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS EMAIL PLEASE.

ALSO COULD YOUI EXPLAIN HOW YOUR ROLL OF OVERSIGHT IS GOING TO FUNCTION PLEASE.

SHALOM, VICTORY AND BLESSINGS

REV CLIVE S BATE
FORMER TRUSTEE OF '' LIFE CHANGING MINISTRIES INTERNATIONAL CHURCH SOUTH CHESHIRETRUST ''

 

In our letter of 23 01 19 we clearly stated to Clive Stanley Bate that his ministry credentials had been removed, this being understood by trustees and overseers, yet without giving us name of his oversight, Clive Stanley Bate continues to use the term “Reverend” which in our view is misleading to the General Public.

 

The full letter of notification in relation to spiritual matters and oversight is hereby given:

AS REGARDS TO MINISTRY MATTERS, with your co-operation I am looking to work with Rev Dr Suresh Ramachandran to restore your ministry that in our view has come out of Biblical practice.

Re. The Spiritual Ministry Issue, and Business Responsibilities as a former trustee of the LCMI TRUST.

Whilst it is the desire of the trustees to bring love and reconciliation between us, this letter comes with the agreement of present trustees as well as the ministry oversight used in this case of Rev Dr Suresh Ramachandran.

It is the heart and passion of us all that this matter be sorted out between us using British Constitutional Law that demands that law be applied “with law and justice in mercy”. It is the understanding of trustees that you have not applied to your ministry our Biblical Ministers Manual, and Governmental Procedures document, details of which follow.

It is also the passion of us all that your decision not to join Brian, Lindsay and I at the Table of the Lord over these matters, examining ourselves, in not answering three key spiritual questions relating to your ministry means a clear break in covenantal relationship on your part affecting the spiritual as well as the temporal.

It is for this reason we are withdrawing your ordination with us, thus removing your ability to use the activity title “Rev”. As regards to this matter, we had asked you for the name of your current oversight as this relates to being able to minister using this activity title.

 

The final part of this letter to you is an offer to take an active part in restoring your ministry in line with our Biblical Procedures Manual and Government Procedures document. We also look to work with you in relation to fulfilling your responsibilities as a former trustee, it being the view of trustees that you have seriously broken government protocol too, it being our heart to work with you in putting this right. I refer you to our Ministry Manual, God’s Government and Order for the Church, LCMI Trust Declaration of Trust for England & Wales dated 7th. September 1997 and also for Scotland dated 27th. September 2018. In addition we refer you to guidelines issued by the Charity Commission for England and Wales as well as those issued from Scotland.

Hence the following invoice to you, is one that includes British Constitutional law, thus the justice and mercy clause featured in each part of the following invoice, the invoice being put together we believe in line with your responsibilities as a trustee, which by resigning you cannot walk away from.

The stress you have placed on remaining trustees cannot be underestimated, a factor we have brought to the attention of our ministry oversight. (I have to add to this that it is our view that you have not kept to the many assurances to trustees that you gave, assurances that were necessary in getting the trustees to agree to the Barry lease, assurances that in our view that in both the spiritual and temporal you are obligated to uphold.)

  1. On 22nd. February 2018 – did you assure us that this was a great opportunity to preach the Gospel and generate substantial additional income for God’s ministry that we serve in? This is right in line with our ministry declarations and protocols that have been established in writing before God and temporal government. We are now involved with a local government inquiry over this matter that requires answers to questions, the most important one being this matter. We ask for your support in declaring that you wrote this to us.

  2. On 22nd. February 2018, did you assure trustees that you had two catering companies supporting us and one African cook? What happened here?

  3. On 22nd. February 2018, did you assure trustees that “non-toxic” food would be sold @ £1, at the same time assuring us of “substantial additional income” for God’s ministry we serve in?

 

Within this context, we again ask the original three questions;

 

i) Have you been ministered to by a woman – note we are not sexist in the earthly sense but ask spiritually in line with scripture through John;

 

ii) Has this woman had “words from God for you”;

 

iii) your accusations – are you prepared to put these in front of witnesses.

  1. By 23rd. February 2018 on information received verbally from you, did you assure me (DPG) of your ability to produce a sandwich for 20p and sell it for a £1?

  2. By 23rd. February 2018, had you discussed with me the possibility of night time use as an African takeaway?

  3. By 23rd. February 2018, had you assured trustees of NIL staff costs?

  4. By 23rd. February, 2018 had you had discussions with me over weekly costs being app. £302 a week meaning only a mere £50 a day having to be reached, thus this being very low risk for trustees to uphold?

  5. By 24th. April 2018, had you agreed to become a user of the Charity Credit Card Account, buying goods for the shop that you have not accounted for or given receipts for?

  6. By 4th. March 2018 response from trustees was very good, one trustee pointing out provision for the building of the Mission House in Sri Lanka, being built to proclaim the Gospel, bring humanitarian care and promote the Antioch line of scripture. Are you aware with the losses at Barry, this project partially built has had to be postponed despite of government pressure to complete? This has put great strain on our ministry in Sri Lanka – are you aware of this?

  7. On 12th. March 2018 you agreed to run the shop with certain agreed policies. Are you aware of this and in our view the legal basis of running the shop on this basis?

The policies were

  1. Managing Volunteers policy

  2. Complaints Policy

  3. Equal Opportunities Policy

  4. Health and Safety Policy

  5. Children and Vulnerable Adults Policy

  6. Expenses Policy – the keeping of proper records – these we have not received for the running of the shop from you – and in our view is a legal obligation. THIS IS UNAUTHORIZED TRUSTEE BENEFIT which has to be put right.

  7. Conflict of Interest Policy – we believe that there has been contraventions by yourself within the context of loyalty and standing with the Charity in overcoming the many issues relating to the shop. THIS RELATES TO CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND LOYALTY.

  8. Safeguarding Policy which emphasizes complete openness and transparency relating to the running of the Charity, and the safeguarding of all.

  9. On 11th. January 2018, you made a stream of assurances to trustees, that in our view we are legally obligated to keep you to, as these assurances gave the trustees the confidence to continue with the project that has ended up in large losses. Are you aware of these assurances:

  1. That this provision of a shop was in “God’s perfect timing”, and that it was God who had given us a massive opportunity to increase our income flow, and at the same time reach many souls with “the beautiful Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.”

  2. That you gave assurances to trustees that taking on this lease was in line with the Mark 16:15 commission?

  3. Are you aware that on this date that there was a lot of demand for this property, 4 people being after it according to Vince during the lunchtime of 11th. January, 2018?

  4. Are you aware that according to you that Vince preferred us to have it as he knows us and what we can do?

  5. Are you aware that on this date you referred to Vince as “old school within the following contexts ….. that by taking on a longer lease we were protecting ourselves from rent increases, and that this can fetch a better price in the market place, but this is not a major factor as we have an excellent relationship with Vince. You also stated that Vince had said that if we had problems, he is willing to cancel the lease as long as we give him two months to find new tenants quoting that Vince is a “better flexible friend than a credit card”?

  6. As regards to business rates, that you assured us these were between £5 and ZERO each month, but this is now under inquiry by Vale of Glamorgan Council.

  7. That you referred us to an “old school” wholesaler Tony who had said that there was no one in the market place selling simple healthy food like you. It would seem you assured us that you would be offering this.

  8. That you assured us that our costs would be minimal, yet to us they have been massive.

  9. That you then emphasized the enormous outreach potential of the operation.

  10. That on 2nd. July 2018 you sent us a picture of a volunteer! What happened to him and your assurances of volunteers?

  11. That on 28th. April 2018 you sent us details of the previous tenant showing we had taken over the lease on 12th. March 2018. Despite assurances to the contrary the shop has made a massive loss, and not been the outreach centre that you assured trustees of, thus in our view the financial obligation of this being on yourself.

  12. That in May 2018, a tremendous amount of work had gone on in meeting legal obligations for the shop including policies, insurance, energy supplier etc., and that due to assurances by yourself we would like to discuss with you compensation in relation to the time involved and use of resources in relation to this.

  13. On 21st. March 2018 you made the following statement in relation to the operation of the shop: WHAT DO WE DO AT THE HOLY GHOST SNAKBAR ?

 

  WE ARE A MINISTRY ARM WHICH IS PART OF

LCMI CHARITABLE TRUST , CHARITY NO. 1065192.

WE HELP LOCAL PEOPLE WHOSOEVER THEY ARE

TO OVERCOME HEALTH PROBLEMS, LONLINESS,

BEREAVEMENT, SPECIAL NEEDS, DESTITUTION AND

THOSE WHO HAVE NO SAFE PLACE TO SLEEP OR

ARE VULNERABLY HOUSED.

WE ARE ARE MEMBERS OF C3SC, GVS, CAVAMH AND

WE CAN BE FOUND ON THE DEWIS CYMRU WEBSITE.

 

LCMI PROVIDES PASTORAL CARE & SUPPORT, EDUCATION

AND TRAINING TO OVERCOME THE BATTLEGROUNDS OF

LIFE, BREAKING THE BONDAGE OF THE CHAINS OF INJUSTICE.

WE ALSO ASPIRE TO ESTABLISHING CARING COMMUNITIES

BY BRINGING HOPE THROUGH TRUTH AND TRANSPARANCY.

 

THE VOLUNTEERS AND MINISTERS SERVING IN THIS CHARITABLE

TRUST RECEIVE NO PERSONAL INCOME FROM THE TRUST.

 

               WE NEED YOUR SUPPORT !

                   VOLUNTEERS ARE VERY WELCOME.

We now deal with the matters in hand, these having been presented to our ministry oversight who as well as recommending immediate withdrawal of your ministry credentials, also has supported the following presentation.

These credentials have now been withdrawn with an offer to restore your ministry to Biblical protocol with your determined full co-operation.

Had you given us an address of a ministry oversight we would have sought to discuss these matters with them in relation to your ongoing ministry, but your reply did not make us able to do this.

  1. The assurances of the Barry ministry on taking on of the Lease at 50c Holton Road

BARRY CAFÉ LEASE – Catering Equipment purchase payment of £333-34 concludes in June 2018 (now February 2019 funds permitting)

 

This is a 3 year lease from 12/03/2018 to 11/03/2021 meaning there was placed on the Charity obligation to pay £21,456 at £149 a week for 3 years. Cllr Vincent Driscoll has informed me he is doing what he can to sell the lease on.

It is our contention that the Ministry at Barry gave me (David P Griffiths) assurances with great enthusiasm in relation to an evangelistic outreach that would also serve the community, and make considerable profit for the Charity. Great ideas were shared between us of poster presentations of the Charity’s operations and we were both struck with enthusiasm, I apologising to the Charity at the Table of the Lord recognising my fault in being carried away by this and encouraging fellow trustees to support.

However, I have to say in my defence that your e mails were very persuasive, as indeed they were to trustees, and it is because of this influence that you have failed to back up in practice that makes us believe that you are obligated to pay the costs, both spiritually and in the temporal realm.

Brian Mason at the Table of the Lord confessed having a check in his spirit on this and should have been more vociferous. I saw the place to come together was the Table of the Lord, us all confessing our fault and receiving the Lord’s forgiveness and moving on together to put the matter right. Your refusal to do this has meant that a full inquiry has had to take place, the result of which being presented to you today.

Vale of Glamorgan County Council are asking questions and we have made a full assessment of this in preparation of this or any other government inquiry.

However, whilst looking to work together in relation to severe losses at Barry, the ministry at Barry has consistently refused to work together with us, refused to provide an annual report on operations at Barry during year 17-18, refused to provide receipts on spending on the Charity Credit Card but instead give us instructions on what we should be doing, claiming on the Barry ministry’s side in my view that all the fault is ours! Indeed the Ministry at Barry has given us ways of paying for all this:

GREETINGS,

LAST WEEK I MET A LADY WHO HAS 2 DAUGHTERS IN MADRID WHO ARE DOING WELL TEACHING ENGLISH TO THE SPANISH.

THEY ARE DESPERATE FOR TEACHING TO BECOME FLUENT IN SPEAKING ENGLISH. YOU DO NOT NEED TO SPEAK SPANISH YOURSELF.
INTERVIEW CAN BE VIA SKYPE.

THE NORMAL REMUNERATRION IS £1,500 WEEKLY.

YOU CAN DO FLEXIBLE SHORT TERM CONTRACTS.

CONTACTS I HAVE BEEN GIVEN ARE:-

BEDA
comuniad de Madrid
British Council
JOB WEBSITE -  Lingo Bongo

Hope this may be of help to you.


SHALOM , VICTORY AND BLESSINGS

Clive

 

DEAR DAVID & LINDSAY,

AS FAR AS I AM AWARE ONLY YOU AND LINDSAY REMAIN OF THE ORIGINAL FOUNDERS OF LCMI SINCE I UNDERSTAND BRIAN JOINED YOU LATER ALTHOUGH I DO NOT KNOW THE POSITION WITH MARJORIE.

I BELIEVE THAT BOTH YOU AND I BELIEVE IN THE REALITY OF THE INNER WITNESS/THIRD BLESSING. I AM PUZZLED HOW IT IS THAT YOU ARE NOT SEEING ELOHIM'S PROVISION OF RESOURCES , COMMITTED CO-WORKERS AND DIVINE APPOINTMENTS.

AS YOU HAVE STATED RESOURCES HAVE BEEN STOLEN BY THE AGENTS OF THE ENEMY BUT WE HAVE THE VICTORY OVER SATAN THROUGH CHRIST OUR SAVIOUR SO WHEN YOU NEED £16,000 AND ONLY RECEIVE £150.00 I BELIEVE SOMETHING IS WRONG SICE GOD IS ALL KNOWING.

WHEN I GO TO VENUES AND FUNDRAISE AND AT THE SAME TIME BE A WITNESS FOR CHRIST I RAISE MORE THAN £10.00 AN HOUR PLUS HAVE MANY DIVINE APPOINTMENTS. 

IF YOU AND THOSE WHO ARE SYMPATHETIC TO YOU IN YOUR LOCALITY AND EVEN FURTHER AFIELD DID THE SAME THING I BELIEVE THE PROBLEMS OF LCMI WOULD DISAPPEAR. IF 3 PEOPLE WENT TO ONLY ONE VENUE FOR ONLY ONE DAY WEEKLY FOR ONLY 5 HOURS THE MINISTRY WOULD HAVE AN INCOME OF £150.00 WEEKLY PLUS MANY DIVINE CONTACTS ESTABLISHING A CHRISTIAN ARMY.

I DO NOT KNOW WHETHER YOU HAVE BEEN RUNNING THE SATURDAY PENTECOSTAL MEETINGS WHICH WOULD HAVE MINISTERED THE TRUTH TO THOSE THAT NEEDED IT AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN BRINGING IN OFFFERINGS.
YOU ONLY NEED A VENUE WITH AN OPEN DOOR TO DO THIS. I ALSO DO NOT KNOW WHETHER YOU ESTABLISHED THE DRY CLEANING AGENCY WHICH WOULD BE ANOTHER SOURCE OF INCOME.

ALSO YOU HAVE A MULTITUDE OF CONTACTS INCLUDING BISHOP STEPHEN WHO IS NOT SHORT OF MONEY APPARENTLY , SO WHY ARE THESE PEOPLE NOT SUPPORTING YOU ?

I AM PRAYING FOR YOU ALTHOUGH YOU SAY YOU DO NOT WANT ANYONE TO PRAY FOR YOU AND LCMI , BUT THIS IS AN ISSUE WHERE WE DISAGREE.

ALTHOUGH I AM VERY BUSY I AM SENDING YOU THIS EMAIL TO HELP YOU AND BECAUSE I CARE.


YOURS SINCERELY

  
Clive

There has been no admission of any fault on behalf of the Ministry at Barry – only to infer that the fault is at our end in apparently not being right with God.

However, the Landlord of the property has in my view admitted otherwise, he having done the face to face business transaction with Clive Bate, after which the Ministry at Barry walked out on us leaving us with the losses, a massive lease and legal issues relating to the expenditure, the admission seeming to mean that this was not of our making – so then whose making was it?

 

Vincent Driscoll

Mon, 3 Dec, 14:50

 

 

to me

 

Dear David

      Hope youre keeping well.Firstly may i remind you that both October and November rents are outstanding,please could you pay asap.

     Also you need to contact the Vale of Glamorgan Council to arrange non payment of rates.

     Finally you have nearly 30 months left on this lease,I understand this situation is not of your making and youre having difficulty in making the payments each month,which is why Im prepared to accept a one off payment to write off the remaining lease.

    If you include the outstanding 2 months the amount owing under the terms of the lease is over £20,000.

    Ill leave it with you to think about.

Regards

Vince

Ps Im still trying to rent it for you but no interest at the moment

Here the Landlord comes with a telling admission, (not of our making) which in my view places complete onus on the trustee who negotiated a £21,456 deal with assurances to trustees, then walked out on us with this huge bill and losses over the last months. It is my contention that if placed before a court, then the trustee would be found responsible, not only for this but also for the whole expenditure that the ministry at Barry has refused to give account for, missing receipts and also for the shop stock that is still on the Charity’s books.

It is therefore my view that the Ministry at Barry is fully responsible for the costs at Barry, the costs being instigated by Clive Bate who made assurances that he has not fulfilled.

I have therefore put to the Overseer and trustees that the following invoice be sent to the Ministry at Barry, understanding that we live the Beatitudes here, that there is mercy, but that mercy involves working together to meet these financial obligations.

The following invoice therefore has been approved by all trustees, on a 30 day payment basis.

INVOICE dated 24 01 19 to be paid by 23 02 19

 

  1. COSTS AT BARRY

not accounted for in Annual Report 17-18 £33,264-93

 

Holton Road Office Rent£6,443

Shop Equipment£1,500

Vale Food Services£82-68

Book Purchase £4-38

Book Purchase:£9-90

Barry Camera£19-99

Barry Camera£89-99

Barry Camera£25-99

Barry Shop Lease£21,456

Clive Bate Mileage£3,633

 

​TOTAL - £33,264-93

Note: some of these expenses in red relate to not getting an annual report. The rest in my view is now owed (all with no report) to the Charity, as former Trustee Bate has made assurances to us in relation to profitability and covenant.

LAW AND JUSTICE IN MERCY CLAUSE: If an “Annual Report” for year 17-18 is received within 30 days, then this will cover the Holton Road Office Rent and Mileage, thus reducing this part of the invoice to £23,188-93.

 

LAW AND JUSTICE IN MERCY CLAUSE: It is the view of trustees and the ministry oversight that the Barry Shop Lease you negotiated with assurances, you are fully responsible for. However, trustees are prepared to take 44 weeks @ £149 a week from beginning of the lease to end of December = £6,556 and following payments of £596 monthly.

 

With this in place then the immediate payment on this section of the invoice (on condition that an Annual Report is received) is £8,288-93

 

2)  COSTS AT BARRY

not accounted for in Annual Report 18-19  £2,853-34

 

Holton Road Office 1£690

Holton Road Office 2£1,104-99

Clive Bate Mileage£747

Payzone for Barry£95-65

 

May/June 2018

Credit Card Expenditure unaccounted for£215-70

 

 

Receipts: 2018 June

 

Barry Stock: £1; £1-09; £5; £1; £1-49; £1; £7-70; £0-78; £6-42; £5-05; £0-65; £1-09; £1; £18; £7-09; £2; £7-60; £16-75 =       £84-71

Receipts: 2018 May

Shop Supplies

£130-99

12 05 18               Wilko                                        May 61                               1-00

14 05 18               Wilko                                        May 62                               2-00

16 05 18               Morrisons                                May 63                               4-20

16 05 18               Tesco                                         May 64                               8-45

16 05 18               Tesco                                         May 65                               2-40 

17 05 18               Asda                                          May 66                               22-00

17 05 18               Lidl                                             May 67                               14-99

17 05 18               Nisbets                                     May 68                               17-96

18 05 18               Solution Express                    May 69                               19-20

21 05 18               Wilko                                        May 70                               0-60

21 05 18               Tesco                                         May 71                               4-00

22 05 18               Tesco                                         May 72                               3-68

22 05 18               IKEA                                May 73                                      4-25

23 05 18               Tesco                                         May 74                               8-00

23 05 18               IKEA                                May 75                                      3-90

25 05 18               WILKO                                      May 76                               0-60

25 05 18               TESCO                                       May 77                               3-59

25 05 18               Frangoulis                      May 78                                      5-00

27 05 18               Tesco                                         May 79                               1-05

27 05 18               Home Bargains                       May 80                               2-27

  1. 5 18               Wilko                                        May 81                               1-25 

 

With an annual report for the year 18-19 when you were with us, the receipts and the credit card machine (Payzone despite an invoice have not repaid us), also the stock purchased – then this part of the invoice can be reduced to nil.

 

With full cooperation therefore we can reduce this invoice to

TOTAL OF INVOICE: £36,118-27

With co-operation = £8,288-93 and an ongoing £596 monthly to cover the Barry Lease starting January 2019.

 

  1. The change at Barry with refusals to join us at the Table, and answer 3 key questions:

 

Trustees and the Ministry Overseer are agreed that above invoice legally is the responsibility of the ministry at Barry, be it the assurances given. In saying this it is the decision of trustees and the Ministry Overseer to keep this matter “in the Church” whilst fully understanding legal responsibilities to obtain these funds for the Charity (or in partial payment with an Annual Report) the ministry at Barry refuses to write.

 

This part of this letter to the Ministry at Barry is to confront the one fully responsible, to see as a consequence Clive Bate restored to his ministry and the calling of God upheld. With this in mind, the Ministry at Barry was asked three questions in a ministry context, the questions not to be confused with women’s ministry in general:

  1. Have you been ministered to by a woman? (Please note we are not against women’s ministry – this was a rhema question in relation to the following scripture:

 

Revelation 2:20 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.)

 

2.  Has the woman had “words from God” for you?

 

3.. You have made accusations but not in front of witnesses. Are you prepared to do this?

 

No reply has ever been received from these questions. It is the desire of the trustees and the Ministry Overseer that these questions be answered openly and honestly, as there can be no spiritual progress in reconciliation until they are.

The questions are asked as it is the contention of trustees and the Ministry Overseer, that we are dealing with Jezebel, not with Clive, hence our constant references to the “Ministry at Barry”.

The e mails sent to us have in our view all the traits of Jezebel. We are fully convinced that Clive has been taken over by Jezebel, will not accept that there are those in the Church to oversee activity, and as soon as this occurred, he left. We believe this to be classic Jezebel.

 

Jezebel Meaning 1        

‘chaste’ or ‘loving kindness’

 

The physical Jezebel showed loving kindness to Ahab; that is why he did not divorce her. She was also loving & kind to the prophets of Baal & Ashtoreth. Even today, this spirit brings false love & false kindness into churches. It is God who is love & kindness; we do not need to import this!

Jezebel Meaning 2        

 ‘Where is the Prince?’

 

NB we are kings, seated with Christ in heavenly places. Jesus is the King of kings. But Jezebel will say “Where is that prince in you?” “Show them who you are!” This is pride. It is the same as Satan did with Jesus at the end of his 40-day fast. “If you are the Son of God…” Jezebel questions our position in God. Do not listen to Jezebel; listen to the Word of God. We do not have to show who we are. The demonic forces already know! Pride is such an evil (Proverbs – ‘it goeth before destruction’)

.

In this letter, rather than humility, there is a pride, the writer is above you, “I can do this and that, why don’t you” – I don’t want people under the influence of Jezebel to pray for me – but the letter from a superior writer goes against my desire because he knows better.

Jezebel Meaning 3       

 ‘not exalted’ –

 

This is false humility. The same spirit on the one hand will trigger your pride; on the other, will show you as a ‘worm’ - this is irony! It brings false despondency “I can’t do anything!”

Jezebel Meaning 4      

Husbandlessness’ (no husband) –

 

You would say this only if someone was (a) a widow or (b) divorced/separated. You would not use it for a spinster. The spirit of Jezebel knows we have a husband/bridegroom – Jesus. So now, Christians influenced by Jezebel will say “I belong to the Body” - but say “I have not surrendered to the Head – why should I?” They will not obey Christ, or the apostolic leadership of the church. Therefore they are disobedient to proper Biblical leadership.

Left the ministry on hearing of responsibility to the ministry’s leadership and responsibilities – saying today his oversight is not on earth it would seem.

DEAR DAVID & LINDSAY,

AS FAR AS I AM AWARE ONLY YOU AND LINDSAY REMAIN OF THE ORIGINAL FOUNDERS OF LCMI SINCE I UNDERSTAND BRIAN JOINED YOU LATER ALTHOUGH I DO NOT KNOW THE POSITION WITH MARJORIE.

I BELIEVE THAT BOTH YOU AND I BELIEVE IN THE REALITY OF THE INNER WITNESS/THIRD BLESSING. I AM PUZZLED HOW IT IS THAT YOU ARE NOT SEEING ELOHIM'S PROVISION OF RESOURCES , COMMITTED CO-WORKERS AND DIVINE APPOINTMENTS.

AS YOU HAVE STATED RESOURCES HAVE BEEN STOLEN BY THE AGENTS OF THE ENEMY BUT WE HAVE THE VICTORY OVER SATAN THROUGH CHRIST OUR SAVIOUR SO WHEN YOU NEED £16,000 AND ONLY RECEIVE £150.00 I BELIEVE SOMETHING IS WRONG SICE GOD IS ALL KNOWING.

WHEN I GO TO VENUES AND FUNDRAISE AND AT THE SAME TIME BE A WITNESS FOR CHRIST I RAISE MORE THAN £10.00 AN HOUR PLUS HAVE MANY DIVINE APPOINTMENTS. 

IF YOU AND THOSE WHO ARE SYMPATHETIC TO YOU IN YOUR LOCALITY AND EVEN FURTHER AFIELD DID THE SAME THING I BELIEVE THE PROBLEMS OF LCMI WOULD DISAPPEAR. IF 3 PEOPLE WENT TO ONLY ONE VENUE FOR ONLY ONE DAY WEEKLY FOR ONLY 5 HOURS THE MINISTRY WOULD HAVE AN INCOME OF £150.00 WEEKLY PLUS MANY DIVINE CONTACTS ESTABLISHING A CHRISTIAN ARMY.

I DO NOT KNOW WHETHER YOU HAVE BEEN RUNNING THE SATURDAY PENTECOSTAL MEETINGS WHICH WOULD HAVE MINISTERED THE TRUTH TO THOSE THAT NEEDED IT AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN BRINGING IN OFFFERINGS.


YOU ONLY NEED A VENUE WITH AN OPEN DOOR TO DO THIS. I ALSO DO NOT KNOW WHETHER YOU ESTABLISHED THE DRY CLEANING AGENCY WHICH WOULD BE ANOTHER SOURCE OF INCOME.

ALSO YOU HAVE A MULTITUDE OF CONTACTS INCLUDING BISHOP STEPHEN WHO IS NOT SHORT OF MONEY APPARENTLY , SO WHY ARE THESE PEOPLE NOT SUPPORTING YOU ?

I AM PRAYING FOR YOU ALTHOUGH YOU SAY YOU DO NOT WANT ANYONE TO PRAY FOR YOU AND LCMI , BUT THIS IS AN ISSUE WHERE WE DISAGREE.

ALTHOUGH I AM VERY BUSY I AM SENDING YOU THIS EMAIL TO HELP YOU AND BECAUSE I CARE.


YOURS SINCERELY
  
Clive

Also there is a major control here in that Clive is praying for us to “be in the right place” which means we are not to the thinking in my view of Jezebel. It is this kind of prayer I have shown opposition to, which in my view is Jezebellic control prayer.

 

DEAR DAVID AND FELLOW TRUSTEES,

AS YOU KNOW I INFORMED YOU ON 09/07/2018 OF MY DECISION TO RESIGN FROM BEING A TRUSTEE OF LIFE CHANGING MINISTRIES INTERNATIONAL CHURCH SOUTH CHESHIRE TRUST REGISTERED CHARITY NUMBER 1065192.

AS WAS REQUESTED I DID NOT SEND YOU THIS LETTER OF RESIGNATION TO HELP THE CHARITY COMPLETE THE PURCHASE OF 23 , 25 AND 27 GEORGE STREET , WHITHORN WHICH I BELIEVE HAS STILL NOT TAKEN PLACE.

I HAVE SPOKEN TO THE CHARITABLE TRUST'S SOLICITOR HELENA FOX AND AS A RESULT NOW KNOW IT IS OK FOR ME TO RESIGN SO I CAN BE FREE TO SERVE ELOHIM AS I AM LEAD.

I AM STILL PRAYING FOR YOU ALL TO BE IN THE RIGHT PLACE BATTLING AND OVERCOMING SATAN.

SHALOM , VICTORY AND BLESSINGS

Clive

REV CLIVE S BATE

 

I have received these prophetic words:

 

Word from the Lord through David P Griffiths, 05/09/18

“The Activity of Jezebel”

“Jezebel loves to steal the vineyard of ministries that do not belong to her, but regards as her inheritance.

“She therefore has to find an Ahab, that will manifest the traits of Absalom, so as to bring about a control which is not of God, but is of the betrayal of Lucifer.

“Lucifer looked to take over the vineyard of heaven, & I saw him cast out like lightning, for he had betrayed Me & his heavenly Father, his Maker.

“So, the Jezebel today will look to take over the vineyards of heaven on earth, that have been brought about by the visions of others, & look for position over prophets & apostles who have founded ministry vineyards all over the world. She treats these vineyards as her own, & takes them over under her control.

“The big Jezebel in the world is the Roman Catholic church, which places people under its control through the confession box ministry. Wherever there is trouble & strife in a ministry fellowship, there will always be a Jezebel at the root of it.

“Such as it has been at Barry, such as it has been within the nation, with its coming under the EU banner that has the Jezebellic controls of Rome at the root of it. In every area of trouble & strife, there will be a Jezebel ministry at the root of it, with the woman Jezebel luring the unsuspecting Ahab/Absalom under her control.

“Oh, as apostle Suresh has pointed out on numerous occasions, she will lure with loving-kindness, ‘building up the confidence’ of the unsuspecting Ahab/Absalom, building up the confidence to such an extent that pride comes in, & with that pride, the Ahab/Absalom can take over the visions of others, for he can run the ministry far better. For he is the only minister doing the will of God, as he looks to lure others under his trap of apparent prayer. However, the prayers that come are the prayers of control & manipulation, of correcting others on how they should behave, rather than accept the pattern that I gave to the Church.

“In thy local Kirk, the pattern of prayer that I gave is practised, in exalting God (‘Our Father, which art in heaven, hallowed be thy name’

 

“And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth. 3 Give us day by day our daily bread. 4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.” Luke 11:2-4) & examining oneself, rather than that which may be the specks of others.

 

“You see, a Jezebel prayer emphasizes the ministry & control of others, rather than the examination of self. You see, the Jezebel, like the confession box, offers prayers to others so as to transfer the devilish kingdom over the saints of God; & should those saints have one inch of pride, she will look to build that up to 6 inches, to 12 inches, & so forth, till the Ahab/Absalom is so convinced of his own righteousness, he cannot express his faults one to another, & cannot come to the table of the Lord, having examined himself, which is the base of reconciliations, the place of godly healing.

 

“So, the Jezebel lures into the pride, & it is her who gives direction. It is her who lures into her palace, so that the Ahab/Absalom can go back & steal the fruit of other ministries.

“You see, in the Constitution is the emphasis on the Zadok priesthood, which primarily ministers unto God; whereas those of Eli minister to each other. But when Jezebel comes in, there is an emphasis on the ministry to the vulnerable, on people who need help, which she will readily give; but that help is only given with the loss of individual identity, for now that person is under her control.

“So Jezebels commonly set about taking over the lives of the vulnerable, which is how you see Britain being run at this time, where the people’s choice has been taken away by unelected officials, under the control of a giant Jezebel; & such as you have in ministry.

“I am the Lord, who changes not; but a minister who changes suddenly, will have been ministered to by a Jezebel, out to steal the fruit of ministries all around, rather than have fruit of her own. For Jezebel is not interested in building from foundations she has set, but will wait until others have built those foundations, & treat them as her inheritance, her Ahab going around rapidly, undermining the ministries of others, in view of her taking ultimate control.

 

“Such is the EU, luring vulnerable countries into its claws, controlling them, & taking away their sovereignty & wealth; & such as you have had in your ministry, time after time after time, that you have to build afresh, for your ministry has been stolen, as indeed has the Bible College of Wales in Swansea, the Pentecostal denominations, evangelical groupings, that now have bibles that change constantly, with victims of Jezebel all over the so-called ‘Church,’ which is why even Christian employers can no longer trust the apparent Christian brother or sister, for they are under Jezebel’s control of constant change. The Nestle-Aland Committee constantly change the doctrines of the Bible, now denying the deity of Christ. For Jezebel looks to take away the authority of the prophet, just as Lucifer looked to take away My authority from heaven.

“The result of all this? The casting out of the kingdom, for the victim becomes under Lucifer’s control, & is no longer connected to the vine; & so therefore becomes as the withered tree. The gates of hell cannot prevail against my Church; but as I told Adam in the Garden, there is a tree one should not be connected to, for the lure of the apple (commonly depicted as an apple in the Garden of Eden) is there for those who will fall to the lure of Jezebel, the present-day serpent in the garden, the results of which remains the same today.

“Jezebel presents the apple of pride, saying ‘You should be doing this, you should be doing that,’ which becomes the message of the Ahab/Absalom, for covenant-breaking is the agenda of Jezebel, the agenda of chaos, for as the palace of Ahab & Jezebel is today physically in Samaria, so comes the lives of those who succumb to Jezebel’s claws.

“Such is My word to you today. You are to make this public at the given time, under My direction, & share this at this time with Suresh, Dr. Oliver, Brian, & the one affected by this also in Barry.

“I will direct a Courtroom of God programme, which will be about the Barry ministry, on what has gone wrong here, the one in the dock not being the flesh & blood, but Jezebel herself, who should be confronted publicly on that programme, that shall be entitled ‘The Great Satan of the World,’ but only to human eyes, but not to God’s. For thou shalt take control, in My name, of movements stolen, of countries stolen, of families stolen, throughout the world, & return those ministries, countries, & families back to those who uphold the landmarks.

 

“Remove not the ancient landmark, which thy fathers have set.”                   

[Proverbs 22:28]

 

“You can share this with others as I lead.”

Word from the Lord through David P Griffiths, 08/09/18

“The Covenant-breakers of the Last Days are the Victims of Jezebel”

“[Instruction (not to be included in main prophecy): Do not be alarmed over what is happening at Barry. It is all going to come out into the open, the darkness having to face the light].

“The key aspects here are the 3 questions:-

“(1) Have you been ministered to by a woman?

“(2) Has that woman given direction word ‘from God’?

“(3) Are you prepared to make your accusations before witnesses?

“Now, the answers to these questions, if covered up, are because the control over the victim is in secret; for the control has brought about a personality & inner change, that controls the victim to do things he would not normally have done. For now you have an Ahab obsessed with taking over the ministry of others. Rather than having apostolic & prophetic foundations of his own, his foundation is in the Jezebel, whose foundation is in the antichrist, on whom there is no conviction, hence there is no repentance.

“The true believer is very open to his/her faults; for by being so, the king of glory can enter the empty vessel. ‘I of mine own self can do nothing,’ saith the Lord in John 5:30. For within the ministry of the true believer, there is no pride; but the victim of Jezebel is determined to destroy all that which is apostolic & prophetic, for those foundations bring responsibility, of which the victim has reneged. The prophets & apostles are left with the bills of the former promises of the victim of the Jezebel. In many cases, this involves stirring up discontent within a congregation, discontent causing many to break covenant with foundation ministries. This particularly happens when new projects are on the go. A new church building has been bought; a lease on the building has been undertaken; a new evangelistic outreach is about to begin.

“A Jezebel will target a victim just when everyone needs to stick together to fulfil a project. So we have covenant-breaking. This is widespread. Do I not warn of antichrists in my Word? You have them all around you. They come & make assurances & promises, & intend to keep them. But then the Jezebel comes in. She ministers to the victim. The victim accepts her word against the apostles & prophets, & elders of the ministry. The victim becomes obsessed with starting his own ministry, & controlling the lives of others rather than bringing the conditions for perfecting the saints so they can hear from God for themselves.

“They (meaning the Jezebel & the victim) deliberately choose vulnerable people to minister to, so that they can be under their control. They see themselves higher than those they minister to. Yet God supports the teaching of them becoming joint-heirs with Christ – an equal position. For when Jesus comes in, old things have passed away, & everything becomes new.

“But in this new Jezebel ministry, constant ministry has to be practised, so that the vulnerable person comes not under the control of God, but under the control of Jezebel & the antichrist. The Jezebel mesmerizes the victims, for this has become a major form of witchcraft, making it difficult for the victim to escape. Yet the questions have to be asked, for if they are truthfully answered, there is hope for the victim. But if they are not, you know a secret agenda is about to take place.

“But I have given unto thee words of knowledge & wisdom, for with these thou shalt overcome the Jezebel & the antichrist. For thou art open & transparent, & prepared to answer all questions, prepared to be at the knees of Jesus, giving one’s life to the full to the Saviour. But the Jezebel has built up the pride in the victim. He can now do lots of things, & becomes driven & obsessive, whereas the true believer waits upon his Saviour, knowing the word of instruction shall come; whereas the victim of Jezebel obsessively tells God what to do. For ministry is constant, whereas the ministry of Christ Jesus was completed on the cross, & in His resurrection; & it is for the sinner to receive that victory, through his/her repentance ay the cross, & be taken up to the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, from where the authority of the believer is obtained & practised into ministries of plurality, of apostles, of prophets, of evangelists, pastors & teachers, elders, deacons, & so forth.

“But with the Jezebel ministry, everyone else is wrong. For only the Jezebel has the ‘truth,’ but this ‘truth’ is a lie. ‘I shall be like the Most High,’ said Lucifer, for now the victim comes under the claws of one who come to kill, steal, & destroy.

“[Now, instruction: On the front page, under the title ‘Voice of Prophecy,’ say ‘This paper is for all who have witnessed the work of Jezebel in their ministries. It is for ministries who have lost vast amounts of resources, as a result of covenant-breakers who have been victims of Jezebel.’].

“Now, there is a sub-title, ‘Overcoming the Jezebel.’ The Jezebel was defeated 2.000 years ago at the cross of Calvary; & it is this fact that you preach: the finished work of Christ. It with the finished work that you have the victory, whereas the Jezebel looks to continually work on the victim. For within Jezebel, it is a working salvation, rather than a finished one; the victim, by denying the finished work of Christ, being wide open to the devil & all his ways.

‘It is the finished work of Christ that is the foundation of any true ministry, the Nestle-Aland text being a working text, rather than a finished one. So this has given great scope for the Antichrist to operate. So, continuous work of ministry has become the norm in many Church fellowships, leaving them wide open for the Jezebel.

‘Through Bill & Gloria Gaither, I wrote the hymn, ‘It is Finished,’ & this is a hymn, a hymn with words that identified the work of the Antichrist. The Antichrist brings doubt & unbelief in the minds of many unbelievers, who fall victim to the antichrists & Jezebels. But Howard Goodman opened up before a television audience, confessing his faults to millions of people, & by so doing, defeated the devil.

‘It is in our weakness that we are strong; & I called thy ministry to gather at My table, & examine yourselves to God Himself. You partook of the elements of bread & wine, & from where came humility. For you know it was only through the body & blood of Christ that you were saved. You have no claim to personal pride. You only can be an empty vessel for God to fill. For God resists the proud, so the Jezebel builds up personal pride, in readiness for bringing down her victim to the lowest points of the earth, from where she has complete control. The victim’s life is in chaos. There is no more personal discipline, no more personal order. Godly administration is nowhere. The life is in chaos, & the Jezebel lures her victim, who becomes the manifestation of her own sexual lust & instability. Her Ahab is now fully under her control; whereas thy victory is at My table, which marks the finished work of Christ, the perfection of the believer who has allowed Christ to take complete control.’

Use of Elohim over Jesus and no oversight in a Biblical sense.

As we hold the ministry credentials of Clive Bate we have put to the overseer and trustees, that we withdraw these due to covenant breaking, Jezebellic control and not upholding his legal responsibilities as a Trustee. This now has been approved.

Also God appoints people on earth to be overseers of ministries and it is clear Clive Bate is refusing this oversight both from us or anyone.

 

DPG responsibility for the Lease – in view of protecting a brother but is this the case now? Has Clive left the faith?

I originally took responsibility for the lease on the basis of protecting a brother from legal actions; however I do not see the ministry at Barry as being Christian anymore but one under the control of Jezebel, this my standing back from taking the responsibility, which with the proposed invoice the Ministry at Barry will have to take over.

 

Final Note of caution to readers; the latter part of this report relates to the “Woman Jezebel.” In no way in modern life should this be taken as a woman as one knows a woman in everyday life, but a particular spirit, the Bible declaring our battle not to be against “flesh and blood” and so the spiritual part of the report needs to be read in this context.

 

Ephesians 6:12 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

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